On 17 May 2010 20:28, Mark Shuttleworth <m...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > On 17/05/10 15:30, Sense Hofstede wrote: >> * most applications will already be there AND it is natural for the >> launcher to be filled with icons => it doesn't feel untidy when it's >> full and the presence of an application in the launcher doesn't > > We'll still have this issue in Unity, if apps that don't have a window > open, but are still running and *could* have a window open, show up in > the Launcher as well as in the category indicator. > > Mark > > The thing with this is that we should decide whether or not to show running daemons to the user. Currently there is the app-is-running triangle for Gwibber in the messaging menu when the gwibber-service daemon is running, even when the Gwibber client is not.
This is probably the way it should be because there is something of Gwibber running, and just as you want to know when Empathy is running -- which means you're online -- even when the Empathy window is not visible, you probably also want to know whether the Gwibber daemon is running and looking for tweets and dents. > To access the messaging app, you go to the messaging menu, regardless of > whether or not it's running. It'd be somewhat similar for the most often used applications in the Unity launcher, so the dock adds consistency here it seems. Taking the quote above in account we should wonder: do we want to make the launcher behave similarly to the category indicators? I think we should consider it for the sake of consistency. But, lets imagine Gwibber sitting in the launcher; its daemon is running, but its client window is closed. Now, when you would press its icon in the launcher you would expect its window to pop up like any other application you've minimised. So some speed optimisations for the launch of applications we ship by default might be needed to fulfil the users' expectations. However, like discussed previously in this thread; what about things like Alt+Tab or, for that matter, the Compiz Scale-like overview mode you currently get in Unity when pressing the Ubuntu logo? Should we launch the Gwibber window? How would we know what process to launch by looking at the service process? Or should we hide applications that show up in category indicators from the dock, or should we have inconsistency between the running indicators (the triangles) of the category indicators? Or maybe we should integrate the category indicators in the launcher and make them appear (Slightly? How slightly?) different? Another issue: how would the launcher know what daemon belongs to what client *.desktop file? Maybe some integration with the category indicators is needed here. (Yay for DBus and standards!) A lot of questions, but no answers from me (yet?), because now I have to do the dishes. Regards, -- Sense Hofstede [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də] _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
