Sam Ruby wrote:

Responding out of order.

Berin Loritsch wrote:

Note that this is the same Berin Loritsch who is concerned about depending
on componentry outside of the Avalon family due to perceived loss of
control.


I never said I couldn't be convinced, I just said that there are things I need
to know first.

You'll find me alot easier to convince than the Axis crowd ;)



Could you more expound on these fears toward Avalon that you are aware of,
since I was honest and forthcoming enough to share the ones I have toward
Commons?


There are quite a few projects under the Apache umbrella that I see as simultaneously unwilling to depend on others, and puzzled that more people are not willing to depend on them.


Do I want to increase the Avalon community?  Definitely!  I don't see how
moving Avalon code outside of Avalon increases *Avalon's* community.  I

can

see how it increases *Commons* community.


Sigh.

Turbine and Struts are generally polar opposites, but at least they can
share a set of collections classes.


Perhaps, but as I said before, I can't commit the Avalon team on my own, and I
haven't seen any of the other committers input on this yet.  In the end, it is
a team decision.



- Sam Ruby


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