Thanks for the comprehensive low down. I've used VisualAge for Java the most and I really like the refactoring capabilities of it, but the GUI builder is flaky, the Beans engine is flaky, and it doesn't support Java 100% (complicated inner classes especially). With all those negatives it is the best one I've use, but another project I'm working on is completely incompatible with VisualAge (inner class issues) so I have to find something else. I'm checking out Idea, NetBeans, and a few others. It sounds like Idea might be the way to go for me although I have to admit that if I ever build I GUI I'll miss not having a GUI builder (the concept of hand coding a visual layout doesn't appeal to me, I've done it but I don't like it). But that's not likely to occur on a frequent basis.
Thanks again to everyone that replied! Eric Medlock --- Berin Loritsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gerhard Froehlich wrote: > > > Paul convinced to use Intellij's IDEA. > > It's not bad and it as a good CVS integration. > > > > but it costs 389 bucks :( > > > That's a $389 I would be happy to shell out. The > pluses on that IDE make it > much more usable than JBuilder or VisualAge Java. > Let's put it this way, > it takes the refactoring abilities of VisualAge, > removes the flakiness, > uses your source code repository, and has all the > editing features of > JBuilder. Since I don't trust GUI builders built in > to IDEs, I am happy that > I don't have to pay ~$1000 for useable features. > > VisualAge Java Professional is ~$130, and for what > you get is pretty decent. > The problem is that you are locked into VisualAge's > source code repository > and flaky classloader issues. Not to meantion it is > always a JDK or two > behind the curve. > > Borland JBuilder is merely eye candy until you shell > out the >$600 bucks for > the Professional license. I mean what advantage is > there to disabling the > interface wizard? Just create a class and change > the keyword to interface... > > Together ControlCenter is the cat's meow if you can > stomach a >$6000 price > tag. It's pattern based code generation tools, UML > editing, and code auditing > features have me salivating until I look at the > price tag (what a cold slap > in the face)! The CHEAPEST version they have is > >$3000. Clearly not good > for an individual developer. > > Intellij IDEA is the closest thing to a truly useful > IDE there is, and comparatively > is well featured. It is the first IDE I have seen > that focuses on the way > you code (or at least I code). > > What I would like to see is a prorated pricing > scheme so that I only pay > for the features I want. That way, if $6000 is the > top price for Together > Control Center, I only pay for the modelling types I > support and the > code generation facilities--or something to that > affect. However, no matter > how much I begged them, TogetherSoft has ABSOLUTELY > NO INTENTION of releasing > any of its product line in the sub $1000 price > range. > > > As a general rule, forget anything by Microsoft--you > end up fighting the tool > 50% of the time and the libraries 45% of the time, > which only leaves you with > 5% of your time to do anything useful. > > I haven't gotten into Forte or any of the others. > > > > > > after evaluation copy back to UltraEdit :) > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Eric Medlock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 6:12 PM > >>To: Avalon Developers List > >>Subject: IDEs > >> > >> > >>Is there a favorite Java IDE amoung you folks? > >> > >>Eric Medlock > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals > >>http://personals.yahoo.com > >> > >>-- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > . > > > > > > > > -- > > "Those who would trade liberty for > temporary security deserve neither" > - Benjamin Franklin > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
