Just wanted to thank everyone for the insight into where AV5 might head and what AV4 might bring to the table to support an embedded container implementation for resource constrained micro-controllers.
I was specifically looking into the feasibility of using the Avalon Framework as the foundation for the Outpost/Embedlets open source project. The conclusion I have come to is the that the Avalon container concepts were very valuable....but that the existing framework (and even what is faintly visible for AV5) is primarily focused on server-side implementations at this time, and thus would bring with it too much footprint overhead and component development complexity to be usable in the Embedlets project. Avalon also assumes the existence of many Java features like threads, dynamic classloading, fully functional XML parsing and the like, which is not an assumption that is valid on many of the smaller devices that we are looking at supporting. So, the upshot is that the principles espoused by the Avalon Framework (and other frameworks like JMX for management services) will be adopted for Embedlets, but we will not use the Avalon implementations or code. Maybe a year down the road, we should "compare notes and implementations" of Embedlets versus AV5 and see if there is some cross pollination that can benefit both sides. The Outpost/Embedlets open source project is hosted at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/embedlets/ for those that might be interested in taking a peek. We recently posted an Architectural Discussion document that is being refined into the overall architectural description of what Embedlets will be, and provides guidance to Container developers that might want to implement the Embedlet spec. Any/all assitance, advice, opinions on where we are going is very welcome from those that might be interested in the implementation of a container for embedded devices. Thanks. Andrzej Jan Taramina Chaeron Corporation: Enterprise System Solutions http://www.chaeron.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]