Authors,

While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as necessary) the 
following questions, which are also in the XML file.


1) <!-- [rfced] Please note that the title of the document has been updated as
follows. However, perhaps the title can be improved to make it more
informative; see the suggestion below and let us know your thoughts. Note
that the title mentions "LAYOUT_WCC" but the abstract does not.

Original:
  Add LAYOUT_WCC to NFSv4.2's Flex File Layout Type

Current:
  Addition of LAYOUT_WCC to NFSv4.2's Flexible File Layout

Perhaps:
  Extensions for Weak Cache Consistency in NFSv4.2's Flexible File Layout
-->


2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in
the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. -->


3) <!-- [rfced] May we update the expansion for "pNFS" here to read simply
"Parallel NFS (pNFS)"? Note that NFS is marked as well-known on the list
at https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=abbrev_list.

Also, should "write cache consistency" be updated to "Weak Cache Consistency" 
(used
elsewhere in the document)?

Original:
   This document specifies extensions to the parallel Network File
   System (NFS) version 4 (pNFS) for improving write cache consistency.

Perhaps:
   This document specifies extensions to Parallel NFS (pNFS) for
   improving Weak Cache Consistency (WCC).
-->


4) <!-- [rfced] We have a few questions about this sentence.

a) Similar to the above, may we update the expansion of pNFS to read "Parallel
NFS (pNFS)"?

b) Should the word "server" before the comma be removed? Please clarify.

c) Please confirm that "Section 12 of [RFC8435]" is correct. Or should it just
be "[RFC8435]" (with no section number)?

Original:
   In the Network File System version 4 (NFSv4) with a Parallel NFS
   (pNFS) Flexible File Layout (see Section 12 of [RFC8435]) server,
   there is no mechanism for the data servers to update the metadata
   servers for when the data portion of the file is modified.

Perhaps:
   In the Parallel NFS
   (pNFS) flexible file layout [RFC8435],
   there is no mechanism for the data servers to update the metadata
   servers when the data portion of the file is modified.
-->


5) <!-- [rfced] This format of this entry in the Definitions section differs 
from
the others (i.e., the others are not complete sentences and start with a
lowercase word). We suggest updating this entry for consistency. Would
the following (or something similar) work?

Original:
   weak cache consistency (WCC):  In NFSv3, WCC allows the client to
      check for file attribute changes before and after an operation
      (See Section 2.6 of [RFC1813]).

Perhaps:
   weak cache consistency (WCC):  the mechanism in NFSv3 that allows the client 
to
      check for file attribute changes before and after an operation
      (See Section 2.6 of [RFC1813]).
-->


6) <!-- [rfced] Please review "is regarded as" and "is likewise considered" in
these sentences. Are these correct as is, or would updating as follows
(i.e., "is regarded as having" and "is likewise considered to have") be
an improvement?

Original:
   In that situation, the retrieved
   attribute information is regarded as strict server-client
   consistency.
   ...
   This combined approach is likewise considered strict server-
   client consistency.

Perhaps:
   In that situation, the retrieved
   attribute information is regarded as having strict server-client
   consistency.
   ...
   This combined approach is likewise considered to have strict server-
   client consistency.
-->


7) <!-- [rfced] We updated "Section 4" to "Section 5" in these sentences. Please
confirm this change is correct. Section 5 of RFC 9754 is titled "Proxying
of Times".

Original:
   With the flexible file layout type, the client can leverage the NFSv3
   WCC to service the proxying of times (See Section 4 of
   [I-D.ietf-nfsv4-delstid]).
   ...
   *  Whenever it sends a SETATTR to refresh the proxied times (See
      Section 4 of [I-D.ietf-nfsv4-delstid]) ...

Updated:
   With the flexible file layout type, the client can leverage the NFSv3
   WCC to service the proxying of times (see Section 5 of [RFC9754]).
   ...
   *  Whenever it sends a SETATTR to refresh the proxied times (see
      Section 5 of [RFC9754]) ...
-->


8) <!-- [rfced] Please confirm that value 77 is not intended to be allocated in
an IANA registry.

Original:
   3.  Operation 77: LAYOUT_WCC - Layout Weak Cache Consistency
-->


9) <!-- [rfced] Sections 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 were missing from the Table of
Contents because toc='exclude' was set for each of them. We removed
toc='exclude'. We left the all caps as RFCs 7862 and 8881 use all caps
for these, but let us know if you prefer initial capitalization.

Original:
   3.  Operation 77: LAYOUT_WCC - Layout Weak Cache Consistency
     3.4.  Implementation
       3.4.1.  Examples of When to Use LAYOUT_WCC
       3.4.2.  Examples of What to Send in the LAYOUT_WCC
     3.5.  Allowed Errors
     ...

Updated:
   3.  Operation 77: LAYOUT_WCC - Layout Weak Cache Consistency
     3.1.  ARGUMENT
     3.2.  RESULT
     3.3.  DESCRIPTION
     3.4.  Implementation
       3.4.1.  Examples of When to Use LAYOUT_WCC
       3.4.2.  Examples of What to Send in LAYOUT_WCC
     3.5.  Allowed Errors
     ...
-->


10) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We updated "Section 5.8.2.25" to "Section 5.8.2.35" for
space_used. Please confirm this is correct.

Original:
   *  Whenever it sends a GETATTR for any of the following attributes:
      size (see Section 5.8.1.5 of [RFC8881]), space_used (see
      Section 5.8.2.25 of [RFC8881]), ...

Updated:
   *  Whenever it sends a GETATTR for any of the following attributes:
      size (see Section 5.8.1.5 of [RFC8881]), space_used (see
      Section 5.8.2.35 of [RFC8881]), ...
-->


11) <!-- [rfced] Would updating "is going to want to correlate" in one of the
following ways improve this sentence while retaining the intended meaning?

Original:
   the metadata server is
   going to want to correlate these times in order to detect later
   modification to the data file.

Perhaps:
   The metadata server will
   want to correlate these times in order to detect later
   modification to the data file.

Or:
   The metadata server will
   correlate these times in order to detect later
   modification to the data file.
-->


12) <!-- [rfced] Should "Section 18.34" here be updated to "Section 18.30"?

Current:
   The ffdsw_attributes are processed similar to the obj_attributes in
   the SETATTR arguments (See Section 18.34 of [RFC8881]).
-->


13) <!-- [rfced] Please review the sentences below and let us know if any 
updates
are needed. We ask because this document does not define new flags.

Original:
   This document contains the external data representation (XDR)
   [RFC4506] description of the new open flags for delegating the file
   to the client.
   ...
   The reader can feed this document into the following
   shell script to produce the machine-readable XDR description of the
   new flags:
-->


14) <!-- [rfced] Please note that we have removed Section 4.1 because readers
should refer to the Copyright Notice included in the document. While we
note the text in Section 4.1 is aligned with the current copyright, the
referenced material points to
http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/IETF-Trust-License-Policy.pdf, which could
be updated and cause confusion in the future. We also note that similar
text appears in a few other RFCs. However, we believe this is not ideal
practice and should be avoided.
-->


15) <!-- [rfced] The following sentences are difficult to follow because they
contain many parentheticals. We updated as indicated below; please review
and let us know if you prefer a different solution.

a) We updated these sentences to use a colon to introduce the list. Let
us know if you prefer to use a bulleted list or to add these to the
Definitons section.

Original:
   The client is restricted to
   performing NFSv3 READ (Section 3.3.6 of [RFC1813]), WRITE
   (Section 3.3.6 of [RFC1813]), and COMMIT (Section 3.3.21 of
   [RFC1813]) operations on the file handles provided in the layout.
   ...
   As such, the
   NFSv3 CREATE (see Section 3.3.8 of [RFC1813]), GETATTR (see
   Section 3.3.1 of [RFC1813]), and SETATTR (see Section 3.3.2 of
   [RFC1813]) are operations commonly used by the metadata server.
   ...
   Then it can determine the time_modify
   (see Section 5.8.2.43 of [RFC8881]), time_metadata (see
   Section 5.8.2.42 of [RFC8881]), and time_access (see Section 5.8.2.37
   of [RFC8881]) for the metadata file.

Updated (revised to include a colon introducing the list):
   The client is restricted
   to performing the following NFSv3 operations on the filehandles
   provided in the layout: READ (Section 3.3.6 of [RFC1813]), WRITE
   (Section 3.3.7 of [RFC1813]), and COMMIT (Section 3.3.21 of
   [RFC1813]).
   ...
   As such,
   the following NFSv3 operations are commonly used by the metadata
   server: CREATE (see Section 3.3.8 of [RFC1813]), GETATTR (see
   Section 3.3.1 of [RFC1813]), and SETATTR (see Section 3.3.2 of
   [RFC1813]).
   ...
   Then it can determine the
   following for the metadata file: time_modify (see Section 5.8.2.43 of
   [RFC8881]), time_metadata (see Section 5.8.2.42 of [RFC8881]), and
   time_access (see Section 5.8.2.37 of [RFC8881]).

b) For this one, we updated to use a bulleted list as there were so many items
in the list. Let us know if you prefer another format or to move these to the
Definitions section.

Original:
*  Whenever it sends a GETATTR for any of the following attributes:
      size (see Section 5.8.1.5 of [RFC8881]), space_used (see
      Section 5.8.2.25 of [RFC8881]), change (see Section 5.8.1.4 of
      [RFC8881]), time_access (see Section 5.8.2.37 of [RFC8881]),
      time_metadata (see Section 5.8.2.42 of [RFC8881]), and time_modify
      (see Section 5.8.2.43 of [RFC8881]).

Updated:
   *  Whenever it sends a GETATTR for any of the following attributes:

     - size (see Section 5.8.1.5 of [RFC8881])
     - space_used (see Section 5.8.2.25 of [RFC8881])
     - change (see Section 5.8.1.4 of [RFC8881])
     - time_access (see Section 5.8.2.37 of [RFC8881]
     - time_metadata (see Section 5.8.2.42 of [RFC8881])
     - time_modify (see Section 5.8.2.43 of [RFC8881])
-->


16) <!-- [rfced] Terminology

a) We see the following forms used in the document. We updated to
"flexible file layout" per RFC 8435.

Flexible File Layout
Flex Files Layout
flex file layout
flexible file layout

b) We see both "extensions" (plural) and "extension" (singular) used in this
document. Are all instances correct in context? Or should any plural instance
be updated to singular, or vice versa?
-->


17) <!-- [rfced] How should we set the "type" attribute of each sourcecode
element?

Perhaps the three sourcecode blocks in Section 3 should be set to "xdr" and
the ones in Section 4 to "shell"?

If the current list of preferred values for "type"
(https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=sourcecode-types) does not
contain an applicable type, then feel free to let us know.  Also, it is
acceptable to leave the "type" attribute not set.
-->


18) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the online 
Style Guide <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
and let us know if any changes are needed.  Updates of this nature typically
result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.

For example, please consider whether the following should be updated:

white space
-->


Thank you.

RFC Editor



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RFC9766 (draft-ietf-nfsv4-layoutwcc-07)

Title            : Add LAYOUT_WCC to NFSv4.2's Flex File Layout Type
Author(s)        : T. Haynes, T. Myklebust
WG Chair(s)      : Brian Pawlowski, Christopher Inacio

Area Director(s) : Gorry Fairhurst, Mike Bishop


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