Hi Carlos, Thanks for the reply; we updated the document accordingly.
The following questions are still open: #7, #9, #10, #12b, #27, and #28 - for Juan Carlos and Amelia #21 - for the AD — FILES (please refresh) — Updated XML file: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.xml Updated output files: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.txt https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.pdf https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.html Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-auth48diff.html https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by side diff) Diff files showing all changes: https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-diff.html https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-rfcdiff.html (side-by-side diff) https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-alt-diff.html (diff showing changes where text is moved or deleted) For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see: https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9724 Thank you, RFC Editor/rv > On Jan 30, 2025, at 6:59 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <c...@it.uc3m.es> > wrote: > > Dear Rebecca, > > Thanks a lot. Please see my responses below inline. > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 8:26 PM Rebecca VanRheenen > <rvanrhee...@staff.rfc-editor.org> wrote: > Hi Carlos, > > Thank you for responding to our questions. We have updated the document > accordingly (see list of files below) and have a few followup questions. > > We will wait for Juan Carlos and Amelia to respond to questions #7, #9, #10, > #12b, #27, and #28. We will also wait for the AD to address question #21. > > Here are our followup questions: > > >> 11) <!-- [rfced] Would it be helpful to include a citation for "IEEE Std > >> 802.11 > >> medium access control (MAC) specification"? Will readers know which > >> specification is being discussed here? > >> > >> Original: > >> * The IEEE 802.11bi task group, which is chartered to define > >> modifications to the IEEE Std 802.11 medium access control (MAC) > >> specification to specify new mechanisms that address and improve > >> user privacy. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I think adding a reference would be useful, thanks! > > What reference should we use for “IEEE Std 802.11 medium access control (MAC) > specification”? Is [IEEE_802.11aq] correct? If another document is intended, > please provide a URL so we can construct the reference entry. > > > [Carlos] https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.11/10548/ > > >> 16) <!-- [rfced] Does "802.15.4" need a reference entry? > >> > >> Original: > >> Note that 802.15.4 use 64-bit MAC addresses, and the IEEE assigns > >> 32-bit prefixes. > >> > >> Perhaps: > >> Note that IEEE Std 802.15.4 [IEEE_802.15.4] uses 64-bit MAC addresses, > >> and the IEEE assigns > >> 32-bit prefixes. > >> ... > >> [IEEE_802.15.4] IEEE, "IEEE Standard for Low‐Rate Wireless Networks", > >> IEEE Std 802.15.4-2024, > >> DOI 10.1109/IEEESTD.2024.10794632, 2024 > >> <https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10794632>. > >> --> > > > > [Carlos] I think adding the reference is good. Thanks! > > We updated to use the reference entry above, but please confirm that the > cited reference is correct in context (i.e., it uses 64-bit MAC addresses). > We are unable to verify. > > [Carlos] It's OK, thanks. > > > 19) <!-- [rfced] These sentences are difficult to parse. Please clarify. > > Also, how > > should "WPA/802.1x" be expanded here? > > > > Original: > > This will > > involve a new WPA/802.1x session: new EAP, TLS, etc. negotiations. A > > new DHCP, SLAAC will be done. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I propose to use the following updated text: > > This will involve a new WPA/802.1x session, as well as obtaining (or > > refreshing) a new IP address (e.g., using DHCP or SLAAC). > > We have updated as you suggest. How should WPA be expanded here? As "Wi-Fi > Protected Access (WPA)”? If so, would it be correct to update as follows with > “or”? > > Current: > This will involve a new WPA/802.1x session, as well as obtaining (or > refreshing) a new IP address (e.g., using DHCP or SLAAC). > > Perhaps: > This will involve a new Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) or 802.1x session, as > well as obtaining (or > refreshing) a new IP address (e.g., using DHCP or SLAAC). > > > [Carlos] The new proposed text is good, thanks! > > > d) We see this note in Section 6: > > > > Note about the used naming convention: the "M" in MAC is included in > > the acronym, but not the "A" from address. This allows one to talk > > about a PVOM Address, or PNGM Address. > > > > Per this note, may we update the expansions in Section 6.1-6.6 as follows > > and > > then update instances like "PDGM" in the document to "PDGM address"? > > > > Original: > > Per-Vendor OUI MAC address (PVOM) > > Per-Device Generated MAC address (PDGM) > > Per-Boot Generated MAC address (PBGM) > > Per-Network Generated MAC address (PNGM) > > Per-Period Generated MAC address (PPGM) > > Per-Session Generated MAC address (PSGM) > > > > Perhaps: > > Per-Vendor OUI MAC (PVOM) Address > > Per-Device Generated MAC (PDGM) Address > > Per-Boot Generated MAC (PBGM) Address > > Per-Network Generated MAC (PNGM) Address > > Per-Period Generated MAC (PPGM) Address > > Per-Session Generated MAC (PSGM) Address > > > > > > [Carlos] This is fine. > > We updated the titles of Sections 6.1-6.6 as shown above. > > We also added “address” or “addresses" after PDGM and PNGM in several places > in Section 6.3, 6.4, 6.5, and 6.6. We did not make any changes like this in > Section 7 as it didn’t seem needed in the context. Please review these > changes in the diff file to ensure correctness. > > [Carlos] The changes are good, thanks! > > > > 34) <!-- [rfced] Please review whether the following note in this document > > should > > be in the <aside> element. It is defined as "a container for content that > > is semantically less important or tangential to the content that > > surrounds it" (https://authors.ietf.org/en/rfcxml-vocabulary#aside). > > > > Original: > > Note about the used naming convention: the "M" in MAC is included in > > the acronym, but not the "A" from address. This allows one to talk > > about a PVOM Address, or PNGM Address. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] It is fine to put the note in the <aside> element. > > We placed the note in Section 6 in the aside element. However, is the note > necessary? > > [Carlos] No strong opinion here. I think the note can be removed if you think > it's clearer. > > Thanks! > > Carlos > > > — FILES (please refresh) — > > Updated XML file: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.xml > > Updated output files: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.txt > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.pdf > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724.html > > Diff files showing all changes made during AUTH48: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-auth48diff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-auth48rfcdiff.html (side by > side diff) > > Diff files showing all changes: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-diff.html > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-rfcdiff.html (side-by-side diff) > https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9724-alt-diff.html (diff showing > changes where text is moved or deleted) > > For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9724 > > Thank you, > > RFC Editor/rv > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2025, at 2:16 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <c...@it.uc3m.es> > > wrote: > > > > Dear RFC Editor, > > > > Please find my comments and responses inline below. > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 8:31 AM <rfc-edi...@rfc-editor.org> wrote: > > Authors and AD*, > > > > Authors, while reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as > > necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file. > > > > *AD, please see question #21 below. > > > > > > 1) <!-- [rfced] How may we update the document title to improve clarity? > > Also, > > note that we expanded the acronym MAC per Section 3.6 of RFC 7322 ("RFC > > Style Guide"). Please review. > > > > Original: > > Randomized and Changing MAC Address State of Affairs > > > > Perhaps: > > State of Affairs for Randomized and Changing Media Access Control (MAC) > > Addresses > > > > Or: > > Overview of Privacy Issues with Randomized and Changing Media Access > > Control (MAC) Addresses > > --> > > > > [Carlos] My preference would be "State of Affairs for Randomized and > > Changing Media Access Control (MAC) Addresses". > > > > 2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear in > > the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. --> > > > > > > [Carlos] privacy, tracking, slap. > > 3) <!-- [rfced] We updated this long sentence as follows to improve > > readability. Note that we pulled out the text "for instance...web > > trackers, etc." into a new sentence. Please review to ensure the updated > > text accurately conveys the intended meaning. > > > > Original: > > This is due to many factors, such as the vast digital footprint that > > users > > leave on the Internet with or without their consent, for instance > > sharing information on social networks, cookies used by browsers and > > servers for various reasons, connectivity logs that allow tracking of > > a user's Layer-2 (L2/MAC) or Layer-3 (L3) address, web trackers, > > etc.; and/or the weak (or even null in some cases) authentication and > > encryption mechanisms used to secure communications. > > > > Updated: > > This is due to many factors, such as the vast digital footprint that > > users > > leave on the Internet with or without their consent and the weak (or > > even null) authentication and encryption mechanisms used to secure > > communications. A digital footprint may include information shared > > on social networks, cookies used by browsers and servers for various > > reasons, connectivity logs that allow tracking of a user's Layer 2 > > (L2) address (i.e, MAC address) or Layer 3 (L3) address, web > > trackers, etc. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The updated text is fine, thanks! > > > > 4) <!-- [rfced] In Figure 1, will readers know what the "I/G bit" is? The > > "U/L > > bit" is described in the paragraph following the figure. > > --> > > > > > [Carlos] Readers might not know, though that bit is not that relevant for > > the purpose of this document. Text might be added to indicate that the > > "I/G" (or Individual/Group) bit indicates that a frame is meant to reach > > only one network interface, when set to 0, or to a group of network > > interfaces, when set to 1. > > > > > > 5) <!-- [rfced] We updated this long sentence to use a definition list > > (i.e., > > <dl>). Let us know any concerns. > > > > Original: > > Most physical devices are provided with a > > universally administered address, which is composed of two parts: (i) > > the Organizationally Unique Identifier (OUI), which are the first > > three octets in transmission order and identify the organization that > > issued the identifier, and (ii) Network Interface Controller (NIC) > > Specific, which are the following three octets, assigned by the > > organization that manufactured the NIC, in such a way that the > > resulting MAC address is globally unique. > > > > Updated: > > A universally administered address is uniquely assigned to a device > > by its manufacturer. Most physical devices are provided with a > > universally administered address, which is composed of two parts: > > > > Organizationally Unique Identifier (OUI): The first three octets in > > transmission order, which identify the organization that issued > > the identifier. > > > > Network Interface Controller (NIC) Specific: The following three > > octets, which are assigned by the organization that manufactured > > the NIC, in such a way that the resulting MAC address is globally > > unique. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The updated text is fine, thanks! > > > > 6) <!-- [rfced] How may we expand "STA"? As "station"? If so, would it be > > helpful > > to describe this in the first sentence below rather than in the second? > > > > Original: > > In an 802.11 network, a station exposes its MAC address in two > > different situations: > > > > * While actively scanning for available networks, the MAC address is > > used in the Probe Request frames sent by the device (a.k.a. > > IEEE 802.11 STA). > > > > Perhaps: > > In an 802.11 network, a device (also known as an IEEE 802.11 station or > > STA) > > exposes its MAC address in two different situations: > > > > * While actively scanning for available networks, the MAC address is > > used in the Probe Request frames sent by the STA. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I prefer the original text, maybe replacing "station" with > > "station (or STA)". The reason is that stations are not the only type of > > devices in IEEE 802.11 networks, and the text refers to the behavior of > > stations. Then we can remove the expansion of STA in the second sentence. > > > > 7) <!-- [rfced] We recommend updating this long sentence to use a bulleted > > list > > to improve readability. Also, because [IEEE_802E] and [IEEE_802c] seem to be > > published, is it correct to refer to them as PARs and include the > > definition of PARs? > > > > Original: > > The work and discussions from the group have generated multiple > > outcomes, such as: 802E PAR (Project Authorization Request, this is > > the means by which standards projects are started within the IEEE. > > PARs define the scope, purpose, and contact points for a new > > project): Recommended Practice for Privacy Considerations for IEEE > > 802 Technologies [IEEE_802E], and the 802c PAR: Standard for Local > > and Metropolitan Area Networks - Overview and Architecture Amendment > > - Local Medium Access Control (MAC) Address Usage [IEEE_802c]. > > > > Perhaps: > > The work and discussions from the group have generated multiple > > outcomes, such as the following Project Authorization Requests (PARs). > > PARs are the means by which standards projects are started within the > > IEEE; they define the scope, purpose, and contact points for a new > > project. > > > > * "IEEE Recommended Practice for Privacy Considerations for IEEE > > 802(R) Technologies" [IEEE_802E] > > > > * "IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: Overview > > and Architecture - Amendment 2: Local Medium Access Control (MAC) > > Address > > Usage" [IEEE_802c] > > > > Or: > > The work and discussions from the group have generated multiple > > outcomes, such Project Authorization Requests (PARs) that resulted in the > > following documents: > > > > * "IEEE Recommended Practice for Privacy Considerations for IEEE > > 802(R) Technologies" [IEEE_802E] > > > > * "IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: Overview > > and Architecture - Amendment 2: Local Medium Access Control (MAC) > > Address > > Usage" [IEEE_802c] > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The first proposed text is fine, but I'd like Juan Carlos or > > Amelia (as IEEE 802 participants) to confirm. > > > > 8) <!-- [rfced] The title of Section 2.3 uses "Experiments", but the text in > > paragraphs 3 and 4 uses "trials". Would you like to make these > > consistent? > > > > For example: > > 2.3. Privacy Workshop, Tutorial and Experiments at IETF and IEEE 802 > > meetings > > ... > > In order to test the effects of MAC address randomization, trials > > were conducted at the IETF and IEEE 802 meetings between November > > 2014 and March 2015 - IETF91, IETF92 and IEEE 802 Plenary in Berlin. > > The purpose of the trials was to evaluate ... > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I think making them consistent is better. I'd prefer to use > > "experiments". Thanks! > > > > 9) <!-- [rfced] We have several questions about the text below. > > > > a) Please review the text starting with "user privacy solutions applicable > > to > > IEEE Std 802.11", and let us know how we can revise for clarity. > > > > b) Would it be helpful to add numbers like (1) and (2) to improve > > readability > > of this long sentence? > > > > c) Are the "two new standards projects" projects mentioned in this sentence > > the [IEEE_802] and [IEEE_802E], which are discussed in the two paragraphs > > following this text? If so, adding a sentence indicating this might be > > helpful > > to readers. See suggestion below. > > > > Original: > > In the summer of 2020 this work emanated in two new standards projects > > with the purpose of developing mechanisms that do not decrease user > > privacy but enable an optimal user experience when the MAC address of > > a device in an Extended Service Set (a group of interconnected IEEE > > 802.11 wireless access points and stations that form a single logical > > network) is randomized or changes [rcm_user_experience_par] and user > > privacy solutions applicable to IEEE Std 802.11 [rcm_privacy_par]. > > > > Perhaps: > > In the summer of 2020, this work emanated in two new standards projects. > > The purpose of these projects was to develop mechanisms that do not > > decrease user > > privacy but enable an optimal user experience when (1) the MAC address of > > a device in an Extended Service Set (a group of interconnected IEEE > > 802.11 wireless access points and stations that form a single logical > > network) is randomized or changes [rcm_user_experience_par] and (2) user > > privacy solutions descibed in IEEE Std 802.11 [rcm_privacy_par] apply. > > These projects > > are described below. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The updated text is fine, but Amelia and/or Juan Carlos, please > > check! > > > > > > 10) <!-- [rfced] Please confirm that "Annex T" is correct here. We do not > > see an > > Annex T in the referenced document, but we do see that Annex I is titled > > "Privacy considerations in bridged networks". > > > > Link: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=10225636 > > (You may need to sign in to view.) > > > > Original: > > Annex T of IEEE Std 802.1AEdk-2023: > > MAC Privacy Protection [IEEE_802.1AEdk-2023] discusses privacy > > considerations in bridged networks. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] Amelia/Juan Carlos: can you please check this and provide a > > response? > > > > 11) <!-- [rfced] Would it be helpful to include a citation for "IEEE Std > > 802.11 > > medium access control (MAC) specification"? Will readers know which > > specification is being discussed here? > > > > Original: > > * The IEEE 802.11bi task group, which is chartered to define > > modifications to the IEEE Std 802.11 medium access control (MAC) > > specification to specify new mechanisms that address and improve > > user privacy. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I think adding a reference would be useful, thanks! > > > > 12) <!-- [rfced] We have questions about the text below and the [wba_paper] > > reference entry. > > > > a) The second sentence below is difficult to follow (the first is included > > for > > context). How may we update for clarity? > > > > Original: > > As part of this work, WBA has documented a set of use cases that a > > Wi-Fi Identification Standard should address in order to scale and > > achieve longer term sustainability of deployed services. A first > > version of this document has been liaised with the IETF as part of > > the MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application > > Services (MADINAS) activities through the "Wi-Fi Identification In a > > post MAC Randomization Era v1.0" paper [wba_paper]. > > > > Perhaps: > > As part of this work, WBA has documented a set of use cases that a > > Wi-Fi Identification Standard should address in order to scale and > > achieve longer-term sustainability of deployed services. A first > > version of that document, a paper titled "Wi-Fi Identification In a > > post MAC Randomization Era v1.0" [wba_paper], was created while > > liaising with the IETF MADINAS Working Group. > > > > > > b) We cannot locate this this document. We do not see it listed at > > https://wballiance.com/resource/. Can you provide a URL? > > > > Original: > > [wba_paper] > > Alliance, W. B., "Wi-Fi Identification Scope for Liasing - > > In a post MAC Randomization Era", doc.:WBA Wi-Fi ID Intro: > > Post MAC Randomization Era v1.0 - IETF liaison , March > > 2020. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The proposed text is fine with me. Regarding the document, this > > was shared sd part of the liaison: > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/madinas/ZmMhpHBquVf6TOD4uU_x2Yenvuw/ > > > > In any case, I think we can replace it with the following whitepaper: > > https://wballiance.com/wi-fi-device-identification-a-way-through-mac-randomization/ > > What do you think Juan Carlos? > > > > 13) <!-- [rfced] Please clarify "In order to do so". Is the intended > > meaning "To > > generate temporary addresses"? Also, may we add numbers to improve > > readability of this long sentence? > > > > Original: > > In order to do so, a node produces a sequence of temporary global > > scope addresses from a sequence of interface identifiers that appear > > to be random in the sense that it is difficult for an outside > > observer to predict a future address (or identifier) based on a > > current one, and it is difficult to determine previous addresses (or > > identifiers) knowing only the present one. > > > > Perhaps: > > To generate temporary addresses, a node produces a sequence of temporary > > global > > scope addresses from a sequence of interface identifiers that appear > > to be random in the sense that (1) it is difficult for an outside > > observer to predict a future address (or identifier) based on a > > current one and (2) it is difficult to determine previous addresses (or > > identifiers) knowing only the present one. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The proposed text is fine with me. Thanks! > > > > 14) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We combined these sentences. Please review to > > confirm that > > the updated text conveys the intended meaning. > > > > Original: > > Not only MAC and IP addresses can be used for tracking purposes. > > Some DHCP options carry unique identifiers. > > > > Updated: > > In addition to MAC and IP addresses, some DHCP options that carry unique > > identifiers can also be used for tracking purposes. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The proposed text is fine with me. Thanks! > > > > 15) <!-- [rfced] Please review the text starting with "to be taken..." and > > let us > > know how to update for clarity. > > > > Original: > > It has not been unusual for the 24-bit value > > to be taken as an incrementing counter, assigned at the factory, and > > burnt into non-volatile storage. > > > > Perhaps: > > It is not unusual for the 24-bit value > > to be an incrementing counter that was assigned at the factory and > > burnt into non-volatile storage. > > > > Or: > > It is not unusual for the 24-bit value > > to be used as an incrementing counter that was assigned at the factory > > and > > burnt into non-volatile storage. > > --> > > > > > > [Carlos] The second proposal (Or:) text is fine with me. Thanks! > > 16) <!-- [rfced] Does "802.15.4" need a reference entry? > > > > Original: > > Note that 802.15.4 use 64-bit MAC addresses, and the IEEE assigns > > 32-bit prefixes. > > > > Perhaps: > > Note that IEEE Std 802.15.4 [IEEE_802.15.4] uses 64-bit MAC addresses, > > and the IEEE assigns > > 32-bit prefixes. > > ... > > [IEEE_802.15.4] IEEE, "IEEE Standard for Low‐Rate Wireless Networks", > > IEEE Std 802.15.4-2024, > > DOI 10.1109/IEEESTD.2024.10794632, 2024 > > <https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10794632>. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I think adding the reference is good. Thanks! > > > > 17) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We updated "*not*" here to be enclosed in the > > <strong> > > element. This yields asterisks in the txt output and bold in the html and > > pdf outputs. > > > > Original: > > The resulting MAC address is *not* stored > > in non-volatile storage. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] OK! > > > > 18) <!-- [rfced] How may we clarify the parenthetical here? > > > > Original: > > This is typically used with Wi-Fi (802.11) networks where the network > > is identified by an SSID Name. > > > > Perhaps: > > This is typically used with Wi-Fi networks (i.e., 802.11 networks) where > > the network > > is identified by an SSID Name. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The proposed text is fine with me. Thanks! > > > > 19) <!-- [rfced] These sentences are difficult to parse. Please clarify. > > Also, how > > should "WPA/802.1x" be expanded here? > > > > Original: > > This will > > involve a new WPA/802.1x session: new EAP, TLS, etc. negotiations. A > > new DHCP, SLAAC will be done. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I propose to use the following updated text: > > This will involve a new WPA/802.1x session, as well as obtaining (or > > refreshing) a new IP address (e.g., using DHCP or SLAAC). > > > > > > > > 20) <!-- [rfced] This sentence appears in both Sections 6.5 and 6.6. In > > Section > > 6.6 about PSGM, would you like to update "Like PNGM" to "Like PNGM and > > PPGM"? > > > > Original: > > Like PNGM, it is used primarily with Wi-Fi. > > > > Perhaps: > > Like PNGM and PPGM, it is used primarily with Wi-Fi. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The proposed text is fine with me. Thanks! > > > > > > 21) <!-- [rfced] This question is for the *AD and authors. This GitHub URL > > appears > > in the first paragraph of Section 7: > > > > https://github.com/ietf-wg-madinas/draft-ietf-madinas-mac-address-randomization/blob/main/OS-current-practices.md > > > > Because the link contains text from Section 7 of this document, we recommend > > creating a new repo or a wiki page on https://wiki.ietf.org/ to host the > > information in order to remove "draft" from the URL. We also recommend > > updating the text to align with the edited document and replacing > > "draft-ietf-madinas-mac-address-randomization" with "RFC 9724". Please let > > us > > know your thoughts. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] From my side, it would be fine to host this on wiki.ietf.org, as > > there IETF keeps the control of the page. And of course we can update the > > text to keep it aligned and use RFC 9724. If the AD agrees with this > > change, we can discuss how to implement this change. > > > > > > 22) <!-- [rfced] FYI - The URL provided in the following sentence results > > in a 404 > > error, so we removed it. We also created a reference entry for the > > Wayback Machine URL. > > > > Original: > > Table 1 summarizes current practices for Android and iOS, as the time > > of writing this document (original source posted at: > > https://www.fing.com/news/private-mac-address-on-ios-14, latest > > wayback machine's snapshot available here: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20230905111429/https://www.fing.com/news/ > > private-mac-address-on-ios-14, updated based on findings from the > > authors). > > > > Updated: > > Table 1 summarizes current practices for Android and iOS at the time > > of writing this document (the original source is available at > > [private_mac]) and includes updates based on findings from the > > authors. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The proposed text is fine with me. Thanks! > > > > > > 23) <!-- [rfced] Table 2 includes both "Random" (no period) and "Random." > > (with > > period). We believe this stands for "randomization", so may we update all > > instances in the table to be "Random."? > > --> > > > > [Carlos] Yes, this is good. > > > > 24) <!-- [rfced] We updated this sentences as follows, including creating > > parallel > > structure in the list. Would it be helpful to further update to use a > > bulleted list? > > > > Original: > > Table 2 summarizes our findings, where show on > > different rows whether the OS performs address randomization per > > network (PNGM according to the taxonomy introduced in Section 6), per > > new connection (PSGM), daily (PPGM with a period of 24h), supports > > configuration per SSID, supports address randomization for scanning, > > and whether it does that by default. > > > > Current: > > Table 2 summarizes our findings; the rows in the table show whether > > the OS performs address randomization per network (PNGM according to > > the taxonomy introduced in Section 6), performs address randomization > > per new connection (PSGM), performs address randomization daily (PPGM > > with a period of 24 hours), supports configuration per SSID, supports > > address randomization for scanning, and supports address randomization > > for scanning by default. > > > > Or: > > Table 2 summarizes our findings; the rows in the table show whether > > the OS: > > > > * performs address randomization per network (PNGM according to > > the taxonomy introduced in Section 6) > > > > * performs address randomization per new connection (PSGM) > > > > * performs address randomization daily (PPGM with a period of 24 hours) > > > > * supports configuration per SSID > > > > * supports address randomization for scanning > > > > * supports address randomization for scanning by default > > --> > > > > [Carlos] The first proposed text (no bullet list) is fine with me. Thanks! > > > > > > 25) <!-- [rfced] Would it be helpful to add a citation [IEEE_802E] here? > > > > Original: > > A major conclusion of the work in IEEE Std 802E concerned the > > difficulty of defending privacy against adversaries of any > > sophistication. > > > > Perhaps: > > A major conclusion of the work in IEEE Std 802E [IEEE_802E] concerned the > > difficulty of defending privacy against adversaries of any > > sophistication. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I agree that adding the reference is good. Thanks! > > > > > > 26) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We updated the title of this reference entry to > > match the > > title at the included URL. In addition, we updated the URL because > > https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211227 redirects to > > https://support.apple.com/en-us/102509. > > > > Original: > > [privacy_ios] > > Apple, "Use private Wi-Fi addresses in iOS 14, iPadOS 14, > > and watchOS 7", > > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211227>. > > > > Current: > > [privacy_ios] > > Apple Inc., "Use private Wi-Fi addresses on Apple > > Devices", Apple Support, > > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/102509>. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] Fine with me. Thanks! > > > > > > 27) <!-- [rfced] We were unable to locate the following reference entries. > > Can you > > point us to URLs so that we can verify these? > > > > Original: > > [rcm_privacy_csd] > > IEEE 802.11 WG RCM SG, "IEEE 802.11 Randomized And > > Changing MAC Addresses Study Group CSD on user experience > > mechanisms", doc.:IEEE 802.11-20/1346r1 , 2020. > > > > [rcm_privacy_par] > > IEEE 802.11 WG RCM SG, "IEEE 802.11 Randomized And > > Changing MAC Addresses Study Group PAR on privacy > > mechanisms", doc.:IEEE 802.11-19/854r7 , 2020. > > > > [rcm_tig_final_report] > > IEEE 802.11 WG RCM TIG, "IEEE 802.11 Randomized And > > Changing MAC Addresses Topic Interest Group Report", > > doc.:IEEE 802.11-19/1442r9 , 2019. > > > > [rcm_user_experience_csd] > > IEEE 802.11 WG RCM SG, "IEEE 802.11 Randomized And > > Changing MAC Addresses Study Group CSD on user experience > > mechanisms", doc.:IEEE 802.11-20/1117r3 , 2020. > > > > [rcm_user_experience_par] > > IEEE 802.11 WG RCM SG, "IEEE 802.11 Randomized And > > Changing MAC Addresses Study Group PAR on user experience > > mechanisms", doc.:IEEE 802.11-20/742r5 , 2020. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] Here I prefer Juan Carlos or Amelia, as active participants in > > IEEE 802, provide the references. > > > > 28) <!-- [rfced] We have some questions about the following text and the > > accompanying reference entry: > > > > Original: > > It is possible to use PNGM for wired Ethernet connections through > > some passive observation of network traffic, such as STP > > [IEEE802.1D-2004], LLDP [IEEE802.1AB-2016], DHCP or Router > > Advertisements to determine which network has been attached. > > ... > > [IEEE802.1D-2004] > > IEEE 802.1, "IEEE Std 802.1D-2004: IEEE Standard for Local > > and metropolitan area networks: Media Access Control (MAC) > > Bridges", 2004. > > > > a) This reference entry is provided for STP, but we see the following at > > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1309630: "remove the Spanning Tree > > protocol defined in Clause 8". The document is behind a paywall so we cannot > > check that it contains information about STP. Please confirm this reference > > is accurate. > > > > [Carlos] I leave this for Juan Carlos or Amelia as IEEE participants. > > > > b) We see that IEEE Std 802.1D-2004 has been superseded. See > > https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.1D/3387/. > > > > It seems that it has been superseded several times: > > by 802.1Q-2014 - https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.1D/3387/ > > by 802.1Q-2014 - https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.1Q/5801/ > > by 802.1Q-2018 - https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.1Q/6844/ > > > > The active standard seems to be IEEE 802.1Q-2022 (see > > https://standards.ieee.org/ieee/802.1Q/10323/ and > > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10004498). > > > > Would you like to cite the active standard? If so, please note that it is > > also > > behind a paywall so we cannot check that it discusses STP. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I leave this for Juan Carlos or Amelia as IEEE participants. > > > > 29) <!-- [rfced] FYI - We updated the date in this reference entry from > > July 2020 > > to May 2021 match the date of the conference (see > > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9488728). > > > > Original: > > [contact_tracing_paper] > > Leith, D. J. and S. Farrell, "Contact Tracing App Privacy: > > What Data Is Shared By Europe's GAEN Contact Tracing > > Apps", IEEE INFOCOM 2021 , July 2020. > > > > Updated: > > [contact_tracing_paper] > > Leith, D. J. and S. Farrell, "Contact Tracing App Privacy: > > What Data Is Shared By Europe's GAEN Contact Tracing > > Apps", IEEE INFOCOM 2021 - IEEE Conference on Computer > > Communications, DOI 10.1109/INFOCOM42981.2021.9488728, May > > 2021, <https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9488728>. > > --> > > > > > > [Carlos] OK > > > > 30) <!-- [rfced] Please review the text starting with "performed as > > part..." and > > let us know how to update for clarity. > > > > Original: > > Finally, authors would > > also like to thank the IEEE 802.1 Working Group for its review and > > comments, performed as part of the Liaison statement on Randomized > > and Changing MAC Address (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > > liaison/1884/). > > > > Perhaps: > > Finally, authors would > > like to thank the IEEE 802.1 Working Group for its review and > > comments, which resulted in the "Liaison statement on Randomized > > and Changing MAC Address" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > > liaison/1884/). > > > > Or: > > Finally, authors would > > like to thank the IEEE 802.1 Working Group for its review and > > comments (see <https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > > liaison/1884/>). > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I prefer the second proposal (Or:). > > > > 31) <!-- [rfced] We see a number of author-inserted comments in the .xml > > file for > > this document. We are unsure if these have been resolved. Please review > > and let us know if these can be deleted or if they need to be addressed. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] All author comments can be deleted. Thanks! > > > > > > 32) <!-- [rfced] Terminology > > > > a) We note inconsistencies in the term below throughout the text. Should > > these > > be uniform? If so, please let us know which form is preferred. > > > > MAC address randomization vs. MAC randomization > > > > [Carlos] MAC address randomization. > > > > b) Is "overcome" the best word choice here? Would "address" or > > something else be better? > > > > Original: > > There have been several initiatives within the IETF and the IEEE 802 > > standards committees to overcome some of these privacy issues. > > ... > > There have been several initiatives at the IETF and the IEEE 802 > > standards committees to overcome some of these privacy issues. > > ... > > One way to overcome this privacy concern is by using randomly > > generated MAC addresses. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] I think "address" is better. Thanks! > > > > 33) <!-- [rfced] Abbreviations > > > > a) FYI - We have added expansions for the following abbreviations > > per Section 3.6 of RFC 7322 ("RFC Style Guide"). Please review each > > expansion in the document carefully to ensure correctness. > > > > Media Access Control (MAC) > > Standards Development Organization (SDO) > > Link Layer Discovery Protocol (LLDP) > > Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) > > DHCP Unique Identifier (DUID) > > > > [Carlos] This is good, thanks! > > > > b) How should the following acronyms be expanded in this document? Our list > > (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rpc/wiki/doku.php?id=abbrev_list) includes > > several > > expansions for each. > > > > SSID > > STP > > > > [Carlos] SSID: service set identifier > > STP: spanning tree protocol > > > > c) May we update the expansion of RCM as follows? If so, we will also update > > "RCM" to "RCM address" in the sentences below. > > > > Original (expansion): > > Randomized and Changing MAC addresses (RCM) > > > > Perhaps: > > Randomized and Changing MAC (RCM) addresses > > > > [Carlos] The new proposal is fine with me. > > > > > > Original (sentences with RCM): > > As of 2024, two task groups in IEEE 802.11 are dealing with issues > > related to RCM: > > > > * The IEEE 802.11bh task group, which is looking at mitigating the > > repercussions that RCM creates on 802.11 networks and related > > services. > > > > Perhaps: > > As of 2024, two task groups in IEEE 802.11 are dealing with issues > > related to RCM addresses: > > > > * The IEEE 802.11bh task group, which is looking at mitigating the > > repercussions that RCM addresses create on 802.11 networks and related > > services. > > > > [Carlos] This is fine. > > > > d) We see this note in Section 6: > > > > Note about the used naming convention: the "M" in MAC is included in > > the acronym, but not the "A" from address. This allows one to talk > > about a PVOM Address, or PNGM Address. > > > > Per this note, may we update the expansions in Section 6.1-6.6 as follows > > and > > then update instances like "PDGM" in the document to "PDGM address"? > > > > Original: > > Per-Vendor OUI MAC address (PVOM) > > Per-Device Generated MAC address (PDGM) > > Per-Boot Generated MAC address (PBGM) > > Per-Network Generated MAC address (PNGM) > > Per-Period Generated MAC address (PPGM) > > Per-Session Generated MAC address (PSGM) > > > > Perhaps: > > Per-Vendor OUI MAC (PVOM) Address > > Per-Device Generated MAC (PDGM) Address > > Per-Boot Generated MAC (PBGM) Address > > Per-Network Generated MAC (PNGM) Address > > Per-Period Generated MAC (PPGM) Address > > Per-Session Generated MAC (PSGM) Address > > > > > > [Carlos] This is fine. > > e) FYI - We see "Interface Identifier", "interface identifier", and "IID" > > used > > throughout the document. We updated to use the expansion in the first > > instance > > and the abbreviation for all other instances. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] This is fine. > > > > 34) <!-- [rfced] Please review whether the following note in this document > > should > > be in the <aside> element. It is defined as "a container for content that > > is semantically less important or tangential to the content that > > surrounds it" (https://authors.ietf.org/en/rfcxml-vocabulary#aside). > > > > Original: > > Note about the used naming convention: the "M" in MAC is included in > > the acronym, but not the "A" from address. This allows one to talk > > about a PVOM Address, or PNGM Address. > > --> > > > > [Carlos] It is fine to put the note in the <aside> element. > > > > 35) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the > > online > > Style Guide > > <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language> > > and let us know if any changes are needed. 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