On 10/18/2008 1:47 PM India Time, _lalisingh20_ wrote: > I'm nobody to doubt Gulzars lyrics, but honestly Javed Akthar write > simple yet elegant lyrics, and to the point.
the difference, in music, between Himesh and ARR is the difference, in lyrics, between Javed and Gulzar. Yes, Javed writes simple poetry, I would say almost naked, banal poetry. Javed doesn't really writes emotional poetry, he develops a logic and puts it in rhyming words to give it the shape of a poem, but that is what it remains, bereft of emotions. Listen to Yeh Tara, Wo Tara. That is a preaching. Having simple, day to day metophors, but pure logic and no feelings. There are more people attuned to the level of Javed's writings, so Javed is popular. Not many understand emotions, but logic spoken in simple terms everybody understands. Of course, Javed has also given good lyrics several times, just the level comparision between Javed and Gulzar is never there. It is like Himesh and Pritam also giving music which becomes popular, but ARR's level is always missing in them. I like Javed's one line particularly from Dil Chahta Hai. "pyaar ke ghaat jo utaarte hain" he he he. the idiom is "maut ke ghaat utarna" and by changing that term, he has equated death with love, and it reflects perfectly well what Aamir felt in that film. Beautifully and naughtily expressed. > Gulzar write these metaphors that only he can understand. Like i mentioned > gulzars lyrix > are fancy because the plugs in hindi/urdu/farsi words. Since most > people dont' understand it they think it must be class. Also, did you > know that Chaiya chiaya from dilse is actually a punjabi folk song > with punjabi lyrics. Alot of people said rahman copied the music, but > in reality they were talking about the lyrics. Gulzar simply turned > the punjabi lyrics into hindi/ urdu lyrics. Nothing like that. Several people understand Gulzar's lyrics. Several might not know the full exact meaning, but they can sense that something great is in there, and it goes beyond usage of words of various languages. Chhaiyaa Chhaiya is taken from Sufi poet Bulle Shah's "Tere Ishq Nachaaya kar thaiya, thaiya" some pieces can be found here: http://www.fropper.com/forum/message-list.php?board_id=10&topic_id=1704 -- Tere Ishq nachaya kar thaiyaa, thaiyaa -- Tere ishq ne dera mere andar kita bhar ke jahar payala mein te aapey pita jhabde bhaudi ve tabiba nahin te mein mar gaiyan Tere Ishq nachaya kar thaiyaa, thaiyaa -- Aisey ishqe di jhangi vich mor (peacock) bullenda sanu kibla te kaba sohna yaar disenda sany ghayal karke phir khabar na layeea Tere Ishq nachaya kar thaiyaa, thaiyaa -- The Sukhwinder's version not retained in Dil Se film was more near it, but you can see that there is enough difference in there, and it goes beyond translating and rephrasing words. Though Chhaiya Chhaiya is also having related music, and similar mukhda, the main song is different from Bulle Shah's writing. > > I think most people would agree that best Hindi lyrical quality for > RAhman comes from Javed Akthr and then Prasson Joshi and then maybe > Mehboob. My appraisal of Javed explained above. Prassoon Joshi is indeed good. Mehboob is also ok, yet I don't have many of his writings at tip of the tongue to quote like I have of Gulzar. > Every time Rahman teams up with Gulzar, I'm hesitant and I > hope he does a good job. Tere bina in Guru was reaaly realy good, but > what about barso re, yammo, does it make sense? You can quote the lines which do not make sense, hope someone here would try to explain. > But notice gulzar also > happnes to churn out good lyrics for his friends like vishal bhardwaj. After RDBurman's sad untimely demise, Gulzar has teamed up with Vishal for MD. A chemistry gets built up between people so their synergy brings good results. Machis was good. I still find that Gulzar's writings for ARR are miles deeper than Gulzar's most of the writings for Vishal. -- Rawat
