Buff, Please dont take away the credit from the soundtrack. We had a discussion of how beautiful the songs are long before the movie actually released. You can check the old posts. Interesting to see how this discussion is going :)
On 2/27/08, Indmov Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chord, don't take my comments as some sort of Chord-bashing effort > because it's not! I think you have a right to feel the way you do. I > hope members try and make this a constructive thread rather than attacking > the person who made the thread. Having said that, I am a bit puzzled > though. In your very first mail , you say > > > > "I want to separate myself from the fan part of myself and > think about the relationship between ARR and filmfare . . . > > > > (you go onto say how Omkaara you felt was better than RDB and TZP was > better than GURU [eklavya better BGM than GURU] > > Drawing to a conclusion that-->) > > > > . . .The question has to come up: Is filmfare biased towards Rahman? > Maybe. " > > > > and then below, when Gopal pointed out that if awarding Best Music for > Guru is being biased then every other awarding body that did the same should > in your opinion be biased too?in reply to that you say (in contradiction to > what you were trying to say previously, or at least that's how I understood > it), > > > > "I'm not really disputing Guru's deserving of awards " > > > > So now I am not sure what you were tying to say from the beginning? > > > > Also, I'd like to say something about TZP (just my two cents). I think > much of the success with TZP is to do with the actual story. In fact MOST of > the success. Every other aspect of that movie is enhanced by the very > emotion that the film wishes to strike a chord with. The movie is an > emotional journey and if you haven't resonated with those emotions, then you > are not human. I strongly feel that it's this emotion that actually enhanced > its soundtrack and definitely not the other way about. Imagine listening to > the TZP tracks outside the context of the movie. I don't think it would have > the same effect at all. When I listened to Ma for the first time, I didn't > know it was from TZP or that it was by SEL. Not knowing Hindi didn't help > the situation either. I gathered it was about a mother but I didn't enjoy > the song. In fact wasn't even interested in finding out anything about the > song at the time. At the cinema however, I cried when I watched that song. > It was a very emotional moment for the protagonist of the movie and I think > people responded to that because that's human nature. The emotions took over > ...not the music. The music was good but not path breaking or even > great. For me, the movie deserved to get a nod because the package was so > emotional, that every other aspect of the movie gained its beauty > entirely because of these emotions the movie was working with and not the > other way about. > > > > So TZP "from a purely musical and impactful standpoint" is definitely > inferior to Guru. If you didn't understand the lyrics and had no clue about > the story of the film and just listened to the music on its own , outside > all of these frames (from what you call a purely musical standpoint), it > makes NO impact at all. I can't say the same about Guru or RDB. I didn't > understand a word of Hindi but I was blown away by my fav tracks in the > album, instantly. For me this is the difference. The concept of music not > having a language as it's a language on its own; the only true example to > that concept is Rahman's music. Guru and RDB are no exception. > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27:34 AM > Subject: Re: [arr] ARR and awards > > I'm not really disputing Guru's deserving of awards as much as > filmfare's notoriety for being biased and selective, as has been the > case many a times in the past as well. Many having issues with > filmfare is no secret. > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > Gopal Srinivasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> > wrote: > > > > Guru has won every music composition award at every award event it > was competing in, why blame Filmfare only?- > > > > Filmfare: > > > > Best > > Music - Guru (Hindi, 2008) Best Background Score - Guru > > (Hindi, 2008) > > Screen: > > > > Best > > Music - Guru (Hindi, 2008) Best Background Score - Guru > > (Hindi, 2008) > > Bollywood International Film Awards > > > > Best > > Music - Guru (Hindi, 2008) > > V. Shantaram Film Awards > > > > Best Music - Guru (Hindi, 2008) > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> > > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:18:46 AM > > Subject: [arr] ARR and awards > > > > DISCLAIMER: Please do not interpret any of my > comments below as being > > anti ARR. I worhship the Boss and his music! > > > > Happy for ARR and for us fans that he won the filmfare for both music > > and BGM for Guru! There are no doubts that ARR's achievements are > > award worthy! > > > > However, I want to separate myself from the fan part of myself and > > think about the relationship between ARR and filmfare. ARR has won > > many filmfare awards, in fact the most out of anyone! No doubt, most > > of these awards are deserving. Let's face it, his music is THE BEST > > period overall. However, when it comes to the most recent Hindi > > soundtracks, Guru and RDB, I'm not quite certain that they deserve to > > be winners, from a purely musical and impactful standpoint. > > > > 2006 - RDB won - not only in filmfare, but in other award > > ceremonies. Yes, RDB was a huge hit for movie and music. Was RDB > > the best music of 2006? Not in my opinion. Omkara was the best. > > Even ARR himself admitted that Omkara was his favorite. I think > > Omkara won with the critics. > > > > 2007 - Guru won. Guru had some mindblowing songs, some of ARR's best > > work, but it also had relatively mediocre numbers like Baazi Laga and > > Ek Lo. IMO, the best soundtrack of 2007 was Taare Zameen Par with > > Guru a very close second. Did Guru have the best BGM? Granted, it > > was brilliant, but IMO, Eklavya had a better BGM score. > > > > The question has to come up: Is filmfare biased towards Rahman? > > Maybe. Does the filmfare award for best music really represent the > > best album? Not always. It's the case with a lot of awards. > > > > Many people have issues with filmfare in both directions. Yes, I > > love it that ARR won two years in a row. As a fan, I couldn't be > > more happy to see him recognized. Guru deserves to be recognized as > > an outstanding soundtrack and the public response to it has been > > superb. Albums are supposed to be awarded by votes, so I guess, Guru > > won because the public demanded it. I'm thrilled. 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