[arr] The downloading debate-

Sat, 30 Jul 2005 02:00:14 -0700

Pavan,
You've just reiterated what I've mentioned in my very next lines - that fans wouldnt want to put a price to their fav MD's creations. You feel that you'll pay double for 'Rising', and thats exactly the sentiment the music companies are out to milk.
 
You also mention that according to you, a cassette should cost Rs 45 and a CD Rs100 - and this was precisely the point made by Srinivas - why should a CD cost 2.5 times more than a casette when it takes around 10 times less money to manufacture? Why should a CD not be priced at Rs30/- and a casette at Rs.45-50/-, given that everything else remaining the same, manufaturing costs of CDs are much lesser than casettes?
This is where the music companies are hoodwinking the fans.
 
I am no advocate of piracy, but i'm not willing to squander my hard earned money to fill the coffers of the music industry barons either. Its not a matter of whether one person can 'afford' to buy a CD or not - its a matter of grossly overpricing a product just because the company knows there's no way out for the fans but to buy from them - exploiting us due to their monopoly.
 
And believe me, music companies wont ever affford to reject ARR's albums, however bad they perform. One, as he's too big a name to reject due to a couple of flops. One hit from him can cover 10 earlier flops for the companies!! And second,if they feel the music wont sell, they'll just offer the producer less money, but wont refuse to market the music. A good example in point is the real *pathetic* songs composed by so many other MDs and 'Indipop album' makers which still find music companies. Also,there're so many music companies now that if one rejects, there'll always be another one waiting to lap up the offer. And definitely we dont go around choosing a particular company from another !
 
Think over it Pavan, without being emotional. And I'd love comments on this from other members too. Do point out even if you disagree with me.
 
Cheers,
Long live ARR!
Jitesh

PAVAN KUMAR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jitesh....
 
Yes its the producer who pays to MD.....i totally agree with wat u have written starting paras....
 
but u have said that
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If fans download music for free, then its the music company which faces the loss, and never the MD or the musicians or the singers.Also, songs being played on radio or TV has nothing to do with sales of audio, but everything to do with how much airtime the producer of the movie, or the music company holding the rights, has bought to advertise his songs. (If any of you thought that the FM channels and music channels are playing all those songs free,or depending on audio sales, then you better wake up to reality)"
 
 
Ok Music companyu faces the loss but will the Music company take the rights again of that MD?????Which music company will take upo the artiste whose earlier album created loss for it???
 
 
We download .....we r able to spend in thousands for our internet connections and downloads,cant we afford to buy a single original copy which is very little....
 
A normal price i feel is For a Casseste:45Rs,   For a CD:100Rs......but if album is really a masterpiece(Like Rising,i love those) u can afford 2 times of these
 

Jitesh Iyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Pavan,
I might be incorrect, but I was under the belief that its the producer of the film who pays the crores to the MD, and then sells the music rights for a certain amount. The music company would pay an amount more, or less, than what the producer paid the MD, based on the company's assessment of the 'saleability' of the MD. If the music company feels the music wont sell,it'll buy it at a much lesser amount than what the producer paid the MD, and hence the producer suffers a loss.
 
If the company feels the music has got good sale value, it'll buy it at a premium, and then sell it to us at a premium. Here, the producer recovers his cost, the company recovers the cost and its us fans who pay through our nose to listen to the music. 
 
Whether its our loss or not now becomes a matter of personal choice - if we liked the music or not. Music companies take full advantage of the fact that an emotional fan would die before placing a price on the music composed by his fav MD, and loot the fans thoroughly. Then they add the 'righteousness' aspect that piracy is a crime, and come out as the champions of ethics!
 
If fans download music for free, then its the music company which faces the loss, and never the MD or the musicians or the singers.Also, songs being played on radio or TV has nothing to do with sales of audio, but everything to do with how much airtime the producer of the movie, or the music company holding the rights, has bought to advertise his songs. (If any of you thought that the FM channels and music channels are playing all those songs free,or depending on audio sales, then you better wake up to reality)
 
Fact remains that if the music CDs were more nominally priced, they'd increase volume of sales so much that they'll still make a killing. But that does not happen due to another factor - the 'CD player penetration' in India, which is dismally low. Be aware that the cities form only a small part of the market and a good majority of sales is from semi-urban and rural markets, wherein casette sales is much much higher than CD sales. So they're compelled to 'play safe' and price CDs exhorbitantly, so that even if only a few hundred rich urban fans buy the CDs, they've still made a profit.
 
Piracy in India can only be stopped if companies rely on volume of sales for profit and price each unit very nominally. I've seen many sites offering songs for download at 10 cents each ( approx.Rs.4.5) If this is implemented in India, then I feel people would legally download the songs and not go for pirated versions.
 
And this does not hold only for songs. How many of us actually own a legal copy of WinXP, Office, and the games your HDD is full of?  I'm sure very few people buy original game CDs costing thousands of rupees, but prefer 'borrowing' a CD from a friend.
 
And so the battle rages...........
 
Jitesh
PS - Pavan, which city are you from? If you ever come to Delhi, you'll be shocked to find that at Nehru Place (the computer Mecca of Delhi), ORIGINAL Moser Baer CDs sell for Rs.9 per CD for a pack of 100 CDs, Samsung for Rs.8/CD (retail price from a normal computer shop) If you buy that in thousands, nay, millions, and right from the factory, bypassing the wholesaler and retailer, I'm sure the cost would be very close to the Re.1 - Rs.2 mark.
 
 

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