I think it works mathematically? https://pastebin.com/r24VdGTy
Please spell out log_2 as "log base 2" or subscript 2 to avoid any doubts. I don't see any reason why subscripts wouldn't work on the ARIN website. Why shift from linear to log? Warm regards, -M< On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 7:09 AM William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just a reminder - the ARIN public policy process runs on positive > consensus not silent assent. If you're okay with this policy draft as > written, we need to hear you say it. If you agree there's a problem > but want to see a different solution, we need to hear you say that > too. If the advisory council hears nothing, we will eventually abandon > the draft and the problematic section of the NRPM will persist until > someone figures out how to abuse it. > > Regards, > Bill Herrin > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2025 at 2:53 PM William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 11:34 AM ARIN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Draft Policy ARIN-2025-6: Fix formula in 6.5.2.1c > > > > > > Problem Statement: > > > > > > Sections 6.5.2.1 explains the initial IPv6 ISP/LIR allocation in a way > > > that is difficult to follow and the formula in section (c) does not match > > > the remainder of the text. > > > > > > Policy Statement: > > > > > > In 6.5.2.1c, replace: > > > > > > "This calculation can be summarized as /N where N = P-(X+Y) and P is the > > > organization’s Provider Allocation Unit X is a multiple of 4 greater than > > > 4/3*serving sites and Y is a multiple of 4 greater than 4/3*end sites > > > served by largest serving site." > > > > > > with: > > > > > > "This calculation can be summarized as /N where N = P-(X+Y) and P is the > > > organization’s Provider Allocation Unit, X is a multiple of 4 greater > > > than 4/3*log_2(serving sites) and Y is a multiple of 4 greater than > > > 4/3*log_2(end sites served by largest serving site). > > > > > > FYI, I'm the primary Advisory Council shepherd for this draft policy. > > Here's some explanation: > > > > Section 6.5.2.1c holds the criteria for the _maximum_ initial IPv6 > > allocation for ISPs. They qualify for the number of IPv6 addresses > > described here and may request that much or a smaller block. The > > section is frankly hard to read. Here's what that part of the NRPM > > currently says: > > > > "c. The maximum allowable allocation shall be the smallest > > nibble-boundary aligned block that can provide an equally sized > > nibble-boundary aligned block to each of the requesters serving sites > > large enough to satisfy the needs of the requesters largest single > > serving site using no more than 75% of the available addresses. > > This calculation can be summarized as /N where N = P-(X+Y) and P is > > the organization’s Provider Allocation Unit X is a multiple of 4 > > greater than 4/3*serving sites and Y is a multiple of 4 greater than > > 4/3*end sites served by largest serving site. > > > > d. For purposes of the calculation in (c), an end site which can > > justify more than a /48 under the end-user assignment criteria in > > 6.5.8 shall count as the appropriate number of /48s that would be > > assigned under that policy. > > > > e. For purposes of the calculation in (c), an LIR which has > > subordinate LIRs shall make such reallocations according to the same > > policies and criteria as ARIN. In such a case, the prefixes necessary > > for such a reallocation should be treated as fully utilized in > > determining the block sizing for the parent LIR. LIRs which do not > > receive resources directly from ARIN will not be able to make such > > reallocations to subordinate LIRs and subordinate LIRs which need more > > than a /32 shall apply directly to ARIN." > > > > > > Here's how ARIN staff explained the current implementation of NRPM 6.5.2.1c: > > > > "ARIN staff implements 6.5.2.1.c based on the text. The summarized > > formula is overly complex and inaccurate for your typical IPv6 > > requestor. The text alone is more easily understood by customers and > > implemented by ARIN staff. > > > > ARIN staff calculates Initial allocation sizes by verifying how many > > serving sites the ISP has in the ARIN region, and how many customers > > are served at the largest serving site. ARIN assumes each customer > > will receive a /48 for simplicity and to promote IPv6 transition. > > > > Once the sites and customers are provided by the requestor, ARIN staff > > confirms what size is justified at the largest serving site based on > > the 75% rule. That size is applied to all sites, then checked against > > the 75% rule for the overall allocation justified by the ISP. The ISP > > can opt to request a smaller size. They are not required to request > > the largest justified size, though it is recommended to avoid future > > renumbering. > > > > For example: > > An ISP has 7 sites and 30,000 customers at the largest site. > > > > ARIN assumes each of the 30,000 customers receives a /48. There are > > only 4,096 /48s in a /36, so a /36 is too small. The next > > nibble-boundary aligned subnet is a /32 which has 65,536 /48s. 30,000 > > is less than 75% of 65,536, so the ISP’s largest serving site > > justifies a /32. > > > > Thus, each of the 7 sites receives a /32. The next nibble-boundary > > after /32 is a /28. There are 16 /32s in a /28. 7 /32s of the total 16 > > /32s is less than 75%, so the organization justifies a total > > allocation of a /28. 7 /32s for immediate allocation to each of their > > 7 sites and 9 additional /32s for future growth. > > > > Example 2: > > > > Building off the previous example, if the largest serving site had > > 60,000 customers, then a /32 would be too small. 60,000 is greater > > than 75% of the available 65,536 /48s in a /32. The next > > nibble-boundary aligned subnet is a /28, so the largest serving site > > justifies a /28. Thus, each of the 7 sites receives a /28, so the > > organization justifies a /24." > > > > > -- > William Herrin > [email protected] > https://bill.herrin.us/ > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
