No worries, I think I was clear about it being speculation on my part. Regardless of how you acquire the addresses, I think my point stands about the fact that for the most part, leasing is making addresses available that probably wouldn’t make it to the transfer market.
Owen > On Sep 23, 2021, at 18:05 , Mike Burns <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > Actually I don't approach address owners in any way. > I rely on incoming business. > I was always afraid of being accused of mining Whois for commercial reasons. > Imagine my naivete! > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > ---- On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 20:54:08 -0400 Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote > ---- > > > > > On Sep 23, 2021, at 16:25 , William Herrin <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 4:15 PM Mike Burns <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> I add value by transferring cash to somebody else in the hope I can lease > >> the purchased IPv4 out for a profit before China and the DoD dump > >> addresses on the market. > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > ARIN leases addresses to you. You turn around and lease them to > > someone else at a higher price. You add nothing in the process, no > > network services or anything like that. The lessee can't rent them > > directly from ARIN, not because of cost or risk or whatever but ARIN > > doesn't have any left to rent. It's about as straightforward an > > example of rent seeking as you can get. > > That’s not likely the real situation, however… > > Likely, Mike does research and fines underutilized addresses and approaches > the current registrant and asks if they’d be interested in receiving MRC in > exchange for the ability to use those addresses. Mike then takes a risk and > begins paying said registrant monthly/quarterly/yearly/whatever for the > use of those addresses at some wholesale leasing price. Then he turns > around and tries to find an entity with need that (for whatever reason, > capital intensity, temporary need, etc.) wants to lease rather than buy > a block of addresses and provides them. Yes, for all the obvious reasons, > the price he charges to lease to his customer is higher than the price > he pays to his supplier, but he’s basically a retailer adding value in the > form of acquiring the wholesale goods and matching them to the needs > of the retail customer. > > ARIN is not finding the sources of addresses who are willing to lease, > but not sell… ARIN Is not even finding the sources of addresses who > are willing to sell. Brokers are fulfilling that role for sales and are the > most likely ones to be fulfilling that role for leasing as well. > > Owen > > >
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