Mike, please refrain from saying that everything people say in this list
against your ideas or interests is "ad hominem".
Chris points are perfectly valid and reasonable, but instead each and
every time you face an message that you dislike in a discussion your may
have interest you find a way to accuse others to use "ad hominem"
arguments. Every time !
Different people have put different points in order to not support this
proposal technically or not, most of these points make a fair amount of
sense and there is nothing wrong to mention the interest certain parts
of community as brokers have in these questions as something isolated
that not necessary benefit the community as a point to show the proposal
may not be good to advance. Let people understand how they prefer and
form their own opinion instead of everytime someone mentioned the word
"broker" you get offended.
Some Brokers have been doing a good work in facilitating move of cold
resources in the transfer market according to current policies from most
RIRs, but unfortunately there have been situations where they seem to
have been involved in controversial situations so it is fair for members
of the community to look from a different perspective from anything
proposed by a representative of this class and wish to scrutinize the
matter more in deep.
Therefore don't get offended too quickly and try to focus on discussing
the merit of the proposal because trying to clash with everyone that
speaks out their opposition to a proposal will not make any good to
advance it.
Regards
Fernando
On 21/09/2021 19:48, Mike Burns wrote:
Hi Chris,
Not sure how experienced you are with this, but this proposal has only
been out for a few hours and any talk about "keeping it alive" is a
tad early.
Also, you might brush up on the concept of ad hominem. It means
against the person(s). It could be only brokers who support a policy
and if there are no valid objections, that support should carry the day.
Now, do you have any objections that you would care to share, other
than your original one (which I think Owen dispensed with)?
Regards,
Mike
---- On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:37:43 -0400 *Chris Woodfield
<[email protected]>* wrote ----
> On Sep 21, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Mike Burns <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hi Noah,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts, my replies are inline.
>
> “Transfers are generally a prerogative of brokers who don't
necessarily provide any form of network services. It does make
sense for a broker to defend this model.”
>
> Noah that is a meaningless ad hominem, every transfer has a
recipient.
>
You are not incorrect here - it takes two to tango, so to speak.
And brokers are an important segment of the ARIN community, to the
extent that representatives of IP brokers have been elected to the
ARIN AC.
That said, one of the requirements for a Draft Policy to move
forward to an RDP is, per section 4.3:, "Changes to policy must be
shown to have a strong level of support in the community in order
to be adopted.” Reading the replies to this thread so far, the
only community members that have voiced support for this proposal
have been representatives of IP brokers. Correct me if I’ve missed
any, but I see zero statements of support so far from members of
any other segment of the ARIN community.
I would be very surprised if the AC would advance to RDP a policy
proposal that has support of only one segment of the community,
and as far as I can tell, universal opposition from those who are
not in that segment. If you are an operator, ISP, or content
provider who would benefit from this, I would recommend that you
speak up in order to keep this proposal alive.
Thanks,
-Chris
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