> On Sep 13, 2021, at 09:36 , Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 9/12/2021 3:37 PM, Joe Maimon wrote: > >>>>> I use more. Are you going to claim that my choice not to NAT is >>>>> somehow invalid? >>>> In an IPv4 world, yes. It's irresponsible. >>> That’s sort of like saying that people who bought single-family houses >>> in urban areas should be forced into high density housing because in >>> an urban area, it’s irresponsible to have a single-family house with a >>> yard. >>> >>> I don’t buy the argument in either case. >> >> I am with you on this. Yes. its theoretically "irresponsible" but that >> is no justification to be high handed. > > Bull Pucky. Apples to Oranges comparison. I own a home in an urban area > that has a yard. The city is staffed with people like you who are > desperate to have people like me to subdivide our 50x100 lot into 2 25x200 > lots and build skinny houses.
I’d be really curious how you do that… I haven’t yet found a way to transform a 5,000 square foot lot into a 10,000 square foot lot through subdivision. Can you please explain the process? > 4 miles to the East is farmland. I tell people like you there is > PLENTY of buildable land for houses. But NOT 40 blocks from city center. I > got here first, and I'm going to own my yard for the rest > of my life. You can move 4 miles East and also have a yard or wait for > someone with a yard to sell out and move. Deal with it. > > It IS NOT irresponsible of me to keep my yard in an urban area. > > But, there IS NOT mountains of empty IPv4 a few miles away. Unlike your > urban yard analogy IT _IS_ IRRESPONSIBLE and LAZY to not dual-stack your > servers and your network. I do dual-stack my network, but I don’t NAT the IPv4 side of it. > As for NAT overload vs dual stack, anyone new to the game is going to > be forced into deploying a lot of NAT overloading to carry the lazy buggers > who aren't dual-stacking. Right, but the question is whether or not it is irresponsible for me, as a user who has sufficient IPv4 holdings to use my IPv4 holdings to number individual hosts on my network rather than NAT it all behind one address. I argue that it’s no more irresponsible than you keeping your yard. It’s unclear whether you agree with me about that or not. Owen _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
