Actually, Roku is one of the parties that would face a potential forcing 
function if Comcast and/or some others of similar
size in the Eyeball market announced a date when they would start surcharging 
IPv4.

Owen


> On Sep 11, 2021, at 20:20 , Paul E McNary <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I must somewhat agree. Our fiber provide to our ISP just recently rolled out 
> ipv6 but not dual stack.
> We have a great deal of problems routing to ipv6 hosts from our customers 
> ipv6 ip addresses.
> We have trouble with our Verizon phones on ipv6 getting to our routers.
> People out in the country putting in video surveillance systems that the will 
> only use a static ipv4 IP.
> We are out of ipv4 IP's.
> So at this point it costs us customers and increased service calls when ROKU 
> says the ISP (Us) is at fault.
> They expect us to cover the min. $100 service call fee on a $50 plan
> Tell me how can that work.
> 
> I have been quiet on this list for 2 or 3 years. This entire message chain 
> makes no good solution.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Maimon" <[email protected]>
> To: "Owen DeLong" <[email protected]>, "William Herrin" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "arin-ppml" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2021 9:59:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The 
> Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)
> 
> Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 19:29 , William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 5:42 PM Mike Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> May I ask if you're thinking changes with the understand that all of the 
>>>> addresses being considered are going to be purchased.
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> 
>>> I suppose my real worry is that the address sale market dries up
>>> because it's more lucrative to lease them. With leasing agents running
>>> around helping address holders monetize their IP addresses through
>>> leasing in order to take a cut. That would be a travesty.
>> Would it? The easiest way to eliminate leasing providers outright is to 
>> migrate to v6.
>> 
>> The industry seems to prefer leasing providers over v6, so meh. Are all the 
>> market
>> proponents going to claim the invisible hand is wrong now?
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 
> The invisible hand has its middle finger extended, telling you and those 
> like you what many have been saying for years unto deaf ears. IPv6 and 
> its migration have been and continue to be an utter disaster, created 
> purely out of ivory tower hubris that designed it to be an incompatible 
> dual stack dual cost useless investment for most of the actual users of 
> the network.
> 
> And it was easily predictable.
> 
> Joe
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