> On Sep 7, 2021, at 9:26 AM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 7 Sep 2021, at 11:54 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> As it turns out, we already handle situations like this as ARIN customers >>> who receive number resources make certain representations about their >>> need/intended utilization for the resources. There are occasions where we >>> have to go back and review the actual deployment of the addresses – and >>> that can become a rather detailed process for folks who don’t have any >>> alignment between their claimed intended usage and apparent reality. >> >> If my claimed intended usage were: >> >> We will number X internet connected hosts on our own infrastructure > > That is fine and routinely satisfied. > >> and Y internet connected hosts on our customers’ networks. > > That’s not considered part of your technical need for your organization's > network, and would be excluded.
I’m talking about in an LIR application, not end user… Try again. > >> Would ARIN decline such a request? If so, where in policy is the basis to >> decline such a request? > > The portion related to another organization’s technical need for number > resources would be declined, as the conservation principle in NRPM section 1 > requires that ARIN issues number resources to organizations based on their > _technical need_ in support of operational networks – So how do LIRs work in the ARIN region under this circumstance? How does Comcast have so much space if they don’t distribute a lot of it to their customers under ARIN policy? Same question for AT&T, Verizon, AWS, Microsoft, XO Communications, Savvis, Century Link (or whatever they call themselves this week), etc.? >> 1. Principles and Goals of the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) >> ... > >> 1.2. Conservation >> The principle of conservation guarantees sustainability of the Internet >> through efficient utilization of unique number resources. >> >> Due to the requirement for uniqueness, Internet number resources of each >> type are drawn from a common number space. Conservation of these common >> number spaces requires that Internet number resources be efficiently >> distributed to those organizations who have a technical need for them in >> support of operational networks. > > > If for some reason you’d like the concept of “technical need" for number > resources to somehow be redefined to encompass your financial desire to > satisfy the number resource needs of other organizations, then submit a > proposal to change policy accordingly for consideration by the ARIN > community. Nope… I’m fine with current policy, but I don’t think you’ve answered the actual question as it appears that you’ve applied end-user criteria to what I am terming as an LIR request. Owen
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