I don't deny that there is - A big problem and IPv6 is the future - We really ARE running out of public IPv4 numbers
But I think the marketplace will sort it out. When IPv4 becomes more and more expensive - all of those wasted IPv4s will find a market. On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 1:07 PM Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> wrote: > I am be wrong, but sometimes I feel that some people either don't > understand the issue of IPv4 exhaustion and keep believing everything will > always be sorted out. Even worst, some seem to believe that if they have a > noble justification ARIN will keep issuing them with more IPv4 and all > that's necessary for that is a policy in place. > > Other seems to go in the direction of "I support it because my supplier > (or customer) needs it in order that I can keep doing business with him" - > forgetting that policies are not made to fulfill individual or fewer > business needs among the totality of members that use those limited > resources. > > I do understand the reasoning of some that mentioned that point about > being removed from the list, however that was not done on propose against > those individual institutions but given the circumstances and in order to > benefit the majority of existing and new members in a more fair possible > way. > > Regards > Fernando > On 15/01/2021 15:56, [email protected] wrote: > > All major operating systems and major brands of networking gear have IPv6 > enabled. In fact, the latest windows server networking requires IPv6, and > features will fail if you were to turn IPv6 off. > > I understand good designs can be done with IPv4 with little or no > configuration. In fact the CPE of most major ISP's today have BOTH IPv4 > dhcp blocks preconfigured, as well as assignment of IPv6 to all attached > network devices by SLAAC and/or DHCPv6, leaving nearly no configuration to > set up a single node network. > > Thus, if setting up a new network, it actually takes MORE work to get rid > of IPv6 to form an IPv4 only network, rather than simply using the > preconfigured setup which is dual stack. > > There are already nodes on the internet that are IPv6 ONLY. This will > become more common as time goes on. Not going with the default dual stack > setup will cut your users from access to these services. Eventually we > will reach a tipping point, after which IPv4 services will start to > disappear. Also, the devices do not have to do NAT for IPv6, reducing the > load on routers. In todays world, turning on IPv6 will result in more than > half of the traffic routing via IPv6 bypassing the NAT. It also future > proofs your network. > > Albert Erdmann > Network Administrator > Paradise On Line Inc. > > On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Mark Kiwiet wrote: > > Inside/Private network space will probably always be IPv4. I don't > understand why you would deal with IPv6 on the inside - you have the entire > freaking > class A of 10.0.0.0/8 to design around - and make beautiful designs as > well. > > Unless you're running a NOC or a Web Server Farm - you really don't need > more than 1 Public IP address for even 500+ private surfing endpoints. > Outside of > standard ports like TCP/25 - you can overload a single IP address with > hundreds of high random ports. > > Right now - the biggest public IPv4 issue is waste. There are tons of > public IPv4's that are not used because they are part of an overallocated > customer > block. > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:51 AM <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > What expensive technology are you talking about? Windows has had > IPv6 > since Windows 2000. Ditto with Apple or Chromebooks or any other > tech > that is commonly used in schools. > > Use of RFC1918 Ipv4 addresses is quite common in every school I have > ever > dealt with. Even at the university level, it is very uncommon to > assign > workstations to public IPv4 addresses, and some form of NAT is used > for > IPv4 access via common public addresses with or without a proxy. > > Albert Erdmann > Network Administrator > Paradise On Line Inc. > > On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Jay Wendelin wrote: > > > > > You would have to ask the ISP’s themselves. My Schools will not > want to be involved at all nor will we want to implement new and expensive > technologies for > > ip6. > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > Jay Wendelin > > > > Chief Information Officer > > > > Cell: 309-657-5303 > > > > [email protected] > > > > [email protected] > [email protected] [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > > Date: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 10:36 AM > > To: Jay Wendelin <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Cc: arin-ppml <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering > of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16 > > > > WARNING: This message originated from outside of the organization. > Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the > source of this > > email and can ensure the content is safe. > > > > > > > > Didn't these ISPs in 2021 not invest IPv6 deployment and good > CGNAT techniques and they rely only on keep getting more addresses from > ARIN ? > > > > > > > > Fernando > > > > On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, 13:29 Jay Wendelin, <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I support this petition, I have many Public School Clients > that rely on their ISP’s to manage and offer IP address. > > > > > > > > Jay Wendelin > > > > CIO > > > > STL/BTS > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > Jay Wendelin > > > > Chief Information Officer > > > > Cell: 309-657-5303 > > > > [email protected] > > > > [email protected] > [email protected] [email protected] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > -- > > [uc?export=download&id=1rw0rA0GcTMgcl44DG58wdI5ADThV4qbh&revid=0B3CYAKYY2jq7RXgwVlV4QWZyaFFkbXdiUE9GeVMyQjdmRW9VPQ] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription > at:https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > --
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