Scott,
OK if that isn't going to work then if we are going to allow
out-of-region requests to be filed by ARIN that ARIN should give the RIR
in that region power to revoke IP addressing assignments.
So for example, Cloud Radium in China gets it's IP from ARIN and
sits on it.
4 years from now APNIC is utterly out of IPv4 and reviews ARIN's
holdings in APNIC's region and discovers the CloudRadium holdings are
fraudulent - and revokes them. ARIN now gets a bunch of IPv4
which it can then assign to more customers in APNIC's region.
Ted
On 10/14/2014 4:29 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
Such a percentage was proposed last year, and rejected by the community.
ARIN-2014-1 proposes to allow out of region use. Based on the
discussion in Baltimore, I think it would be appropriate to have an
absolute minimum amount of in-region resource use before an organization
qualifies to count its out-of-region use toward its total requirements.
I think a good threshold is a /22 for IPv4, a /44 (or /48) for IPv6, or
1 ASN, respectively.
Would that address your concern?
-Scott
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 10/14/2014 3:56 PM, John Curran wrote:
On Oct 13, 2014, at 19:31 , Adam Thompson<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>__> wrote:
John, or Leslie, or any other board or staff:
Has ARIN considered - and possibly rejected - any of these
options:
1. Developing a dedicated Fraud investigation department or
team, or
This can be done, but it will not yield any different results in
the case
of an organization that is "making fake contracts with unexists
or imaginable
customers and making up the equipment list and purchase
invoices, which make
their business looks like the same as the real one." (as stated
by xiaofan)
2. Hiring translators and/or bilingual or "bicultural"
(spell check OK'd that so I guess it's a word!) staff to
mitigate the difficulty in doing these investigations, or
3. Outsourcing foreign fraud investigations, possibly with
the assistance (direct or otherwise) of the relevant RIR?
We actually have very good working relationships with the other
RIRs for
this reason, and have asked for assistance as needed for
translation and
data verification... This is rather labor intensive, and will
not uncover
fabricated data that has been diligently prepared, as
verification of both
customer and business contact information is exceedingly
difficult in some
countries outside of the ARIN service region (even if undertaken
by the RIR
servicing that area.)
We have been able to detect fraudulent applications that were
similar in
character to this case (and do reject such), but we routinely
see these
sorts of requests, i.e. ones backed by nominal in region
presence and
entirely out of region customer demand.
Perhaps a policy proposal of a requirement of 70% of IP numbering
requested must be used for in-region demand, would be in order?
Ted
FYI,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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