I would continue to support with 4.9 / 4.9.1 either deleted or ammended with /22 replaced with /24.
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill Darte and myself will be the Sheppard's for this proposal. At this > time we are working on the policy changes and vetting > them against the text of the NRPM. > > I would appreciate feedback in regards to section 4.9 which is not > mentioned in the current policy text but should probably be > removed as part of this policy. > > 4.9 Minimum Allocation in the Caribbean Region and North Atlantic Islands > > The minimum IPv4 allocation size for ISPs from the Caribbean and North > Atlantic Islands sector of the ARIN region is /22. > > 4.9.1. Allocation Criteria > > The requesting organization must show the efficient utilization of an > entire previously allocated /22 from their upstream ISP. This allocation > (/22) may have been provided by an ISP's upstream provider(s), and does not > have to be contiguous address space. The organization must meet the > requirement of efficient use of 4 /24s. Utilization Reporting and > Justification. All other ARIN policies regarding the reporting of > justification information for the allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 address space > will remain in effect. > > Thanks, > > Kevin Blumberg > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of John Springer > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:22 PM > > To: David Huberman > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum > > Allocation/Assignment units to /24 > > > > The analysis by David is, in my opinion, correct. This policy proposal is > > receiving what in my experience is an unprecedented amount of community > > support, _AS_WRITTEN_. Changes to the text require support be reiterated, > > which might be unwanted and harmful to the text speed of the process. > > Further desired changes should be submitted separately to avoid > > interfering with the momentum that has been generated. > > > > The community is speaking and the AC is listening. What I am hearing is > > get busy and get 'er done. If the policy proposal can be supported as > > written, it should be. Any changes to the text as written will have to be > > listened to and responded to and cannot speed things up. > > > > I am _NOT_ saying do not dissent, only that the conversation that ensues > > will take time. > > > > Not to put words in Marty's mouth, but that is how I interpret what he is > > saying. > > > > John Springer > > > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2014, David Huberman wrote: > > > > > > > > Derek, > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty can be a bit gruff - it's part of his charm :) He's actually > trying very > > hard to help you achieve your goals. His observation you quoted is > borne of > > wisdom of > > > dealing with the policy process for many years. Some may agree, or > may > > not agree. I happened to agree strongly with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Owen's proposal, without modifications (or at least, not the one > proposed > > so far), has the best chance of succeeding, and doing so quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > /david > > > > > > David R Huberman > > > Microsoft Corporation > > > Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________ > > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on > > behalf of Derek Calanchini <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:13 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum > > Allocation/Assignment units to /24 > > > Martin, > > > > > > You seem very negative about this, disagreeing for the sake of > disagreeing > > is counter productive. Perhaps you could explain your concerns giving > actual > > reasons, > > > potential fallout, issues, etc in the hopes of making it better.... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Derek Calanchini > > > Owner > > > Creative Network Solutions > > > Phone: 916-852-2890 > > > Fax: 916-852-2899 > > > > > > "Adopt the metric system!" > > > > > > CNS LOGO > > > On 4/29/2014 5:15 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > > > > > > Owens change is simple and fast. Meddling beyond that is asking for > > trouble. It's a no op. Leave it alone. > > > Bring that to the PPC at NANOG and this is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Jimmy Hess <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > I support the proposed change as written. > > > > > > In addition, since Multihomed ISPs no longer have a different > minimum > > > allocation, I suggest removing the distinction between > Multihomed > > > and non-Multihomed ISPs: > > > > > > o 4.2.1.5 Delete the sentence that says "For multihomed > ISPs...." > > > Remove multi-homed distinction and requirements for initial > > > allocations to ISPs. > > > o Delete section 4.2.2.1 Standard or non-multihomed and > > subsections. > > > > > > o Rename section 4.2.2.2 to remove references to > Multihomed > > > > > > Prepend "When requesting a /24, demonstrate the efficient > > > utilization of a minimum contiguous or non-contiguous /27 (two > /28s) > > > from an upstream." > > > > > > [Regardless if multihomed or not] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0 > > > > > > > > 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum > Allocation/Assignment > > units to > > > > /24 > > > > 2. Proposal Originator > > > > a. name: Owen DeLong > > > > b. email: [email protected] > > > > c. telephone: 408-890-7992 > > > > d. organization: Hurricane Electric > > > > 3. Date: 29 April, 2014 > > > > 4. Problem Statement: > > > > > > > > As we approach runout, more and more end users and smaller ISPs > > will be > > > > unable to obtain space from their upstreams and will be > seeking space > > from > > > > ARIN. In order to meet these needs to the extent possible and > to > > make policy > > > > more fair to a broader range of the ARIN constituency, we > should > > reduce the > > > > minimum assignment and allocation units to /24 across the > board. > > > > > > > > 5. Policy statement: > > > > > > > > Change the minimum allocation and assignment unit for all IPv4 > single > > and > > > > multi homed instances to /20. This would include: > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.2.1.5 Change all occurrences of /20 and /22 to /24 > > > > > > > > 4.2.2.1.1 Change all occurrences of /20 to /24, and change 16 > /24s to 1 > > /24. > > > > Remove the example about 12 /24s. > > > > > > > > 4.3.2.1 Change both occurrences of /20 to /24 > > > > > > > > 4.9 Change /22 to /24 > > > > > > > > 4.9.1 Change all instances of /22 to /24. Remove the reference > to 4 > > /24s. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Comments: > > > > a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate, possibly through > board > > action. > > > > b. 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