It has been a while that I was in LEA, but I remember this same complaint from
the 00s. A LEA-RIPE NCC working group was started circa 2008 and that led to a
lot better understanding of each others competences and information that could
be shared. Like myself, all these people are now in other positions. So,
without me knowing what is asked by whom, a renewed effort could be the answer.
@Michele @Serge. Yes, at times I hear exasperation from law makers as well. The
fact that this very WG is discussing its future remit, if there is one at all,
may well be one of the causes of this exasperation. Self-regulation does mean
just that. It should not equate inactivity. The alternative is regulation. In
more and more stages of society in general, this is becoming the case. The
Internet already is and will not be an exception. There's still a chance to
self-regulate.
Kind regards,
Wout de Natris
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
De Natris Consult
Kamerlingh Onnesstraat 43
Tel: +31 648388813
2014 EK Haarlem
Skype: wout.de.natris
denatriscons...@hotmail.nl<mailto:denatriscons...@hotmail.nl>
http://www.denatrisconsult.nl
Blog http://woutdenatris.wordpress.com
________________________________
From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net> on behalf of
anti-abuse-wg-requ...@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg-requ...@ripe.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 12:07 PM
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10
Send anti-abuse-wg mailing list submissions to
anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
anti-abuse-wg-requ...@ripe.net
You can reach the person managing the list at
anti-abuse-wg-ow...@ripe.net
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of anti-abuse-wg digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: LEA Transparency Report 2023 (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
2. Re: LEA Transparency Report 2023 (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:03:36 +0000
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <mich...@blacknight.com>
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.li...@gmail.com>, Serge Droz
<serge.d...@first.org>, "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"
<anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
Message-ID:
<db8pr09mb3324c8ed9c46b8f36ae42bc7cd...@db8pr09mb3324.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
Suresh
The devil is in the details?.
Michele
--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
https://www.blacknight.com/
https://blacknight.blog/
Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you
to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.li...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 10 April 2024 at 10:38
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <mich...@blacknight.com>, Serge Droz
<serge.d...@first.org>, anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised
sources.
LEA especially the computer crime part of LEA has been dealing with RIRs for
some decades now?
The specifics of this case would be interesting.
--srs
________________________________
From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net> on behalf of Michele
Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 3:02:51 PM
To: Serge Droz <serge.d...@first.org>; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
<anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
Serge
The report speaks about French LEA asking RIPE for data that RIPE does not have.
You then go off on some complete tangent about governments not being satisfied
with tech companies.
How are the two related?
What purpose does asking RIPE (or anyone else) for data they simply do not have
serve?
A much more rational explanation is that LEA simply do not understand what data
RIPE (or others) have and that maybe the solution is to educate them.
I have heard from some in LEA that the amount of engagement from RIPE, ICANN
etc., in the past couple of years has reduced, though that?s purely anecdotal.
Regards
Michele
--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
https://www.blacknight.com/
https://blacknight.blog/
Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you
to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20240410/29bc8b06/attachment-0001.html>
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:07:16 +0000
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <mich...@blacknight.com>
To: Serge Droz <serge.d...@first.org>, "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"
<anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
Message-ID:
<db8pr09mb33249bd5fbf9723b3183cb33cd...@db8pr09mb3324.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
Serge
As I said, it?s an odd attempt at making a point, if that?s what it is.
Regards
Michele
--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
https://www.blacknight.com/
https://blacknight.blog/
Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you
to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.
From: Serge Droz <serge.d...@first.org>
Date: Wednesday, 10 April 2024 at 10:38
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <mich...@blacknight.com>,
anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA Transparency Report 2023
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised
sources.
Hi Michele
As I said: They may make a point. Maybe they don't understand what RIPS
dies. But that's an assumption, and the tech community tends to
underrate authorities, so don't count on it.
Best
Serge
On 10.04.24 11:32, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Serge
>
> The report speaks about French LEA asking RIPE for data that RIPE does
> not have.
>
> You then go off on some complete tangent about governments not being
> satisfied with tech companies.
>
> How are the two related?
>
> What purpose does asking RIPE (or anyone else) for data they simply do
> not have serve?
>
> A much more rational explanation is that LEA simply do not understand
> what data RIPE (or others) have and that maybe the solution is to
> educate them.
>
> I have heard from some in LEA that the amount of engagement from RIPE,
> ICANN etc., in the past couple of years has reduced, though that?s
> purely anecdotal.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>
> https://www.blacknight.com/ <https://www.blacknight.com/>
>
> https://blacknight.blog/ <https://blacknight.blog/>
>
> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>
> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ <https://michele.blog/>
>
> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/>
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>
> I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not
> expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours.
>
--
Dr. Serge Droz
Member, FIRST Board of Directors
https://www.first.org
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20240410/1cba2462/attachment.html>
------------------------------
Subject: Digest Footer
--
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your
subscription options, please visit:
https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
------------------------------
End of anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10
**********************************************
--
To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your
subscription options, please visit:
https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
