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Cheers, Alun On 13 Aug 2022, at 16:47, Hans-Martin Mosner via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > Am 13.08.22 um 14:13 schrieb jer...@hackersbescherming.nl: > I would say perfect for that anti abuse training! > > Training is useful if you want to learn and achieve the training subject > matter. Serverius (like many other hosting/colocation providers) is in the > business of deflecting trouble from their customers. In an old antispam forum > post I found this quote without exact source, which could be used verbatim by > most of them: > > Serverius IT infrastructure is providing underlying infrastructure services > without any hosting activities. Serverius is not a hosting provider as it has > no data carrier hardware like servers or disk storage services under > management (only our clients do). Serverius is only providing the parent data > center colocation of client hardware and/or IP connectivity services that are > used by clients to build their own infrastructure. Their services are used by > millions of companies in the world. Therefore Serverius does not know what > Serverius network users are hosting (it's technically impossible for us to > see and forbidden by law) and Serverius is therefore not liable for what our > customer hosts behind its own network and/or on his own infrastructure. > Legally, they may be right (of course they are not allowed to peek into their > customer's servers). However, there's something more to it - you could have > contract and AUP clauses which prohibit spamming/abuse and give the provider > leverage to enforce that prohibition. But some providers apparently prefer to > keep such clauses out of their contracts and don't want to waste money on > abuse desk training because a well-paying customer is a well-paying customer > after all. "Pecunia non olet", as Vespasian is reported to have said. > > Those are not the target group for anti abuse training. They would probably > need it, but first they would need the will to stop network abuse emanating > from their infrastructure. > > Cheers, > Hans-Martin > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
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