Thanks Steffen. Looks good. Be well, G/
-----Original Message----- From: Fries, Steffen <steffen.fr...@siemens.com> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 3:01 PM To: Gunter van de Velde (Nokia) <gunter.van_de_ve...@nokia.com>; The IESG <i...@ietf.org> Cc: draft-ietf-anima-brski-...@ietf.org; anima-cha...@ietf.org; anima@ietf.org; i...@kovatsch.net; t...@cs.fau.de Subject: RE: Gunter Van de Velde's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-brski-prm-18: (with COMMENT) [You don't often get email from steffen.fr...@siemens.com. Learn why this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking links or opening attachments. See the URL nok.it/ext for additional information. Dear Gunter, Thank you for your comments. I made my comments to yours inline. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gunter Van de Velde via Datatracker <nore...@ietf.org> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 1:45 PM > To: The IESG <i...@ietf.org> > Cc: draft-ietf-anima-brski-...@ietf.org; anima-cha...@ietf.org; > anima@ietf.org; i...@kovatsch.net; t...@cs.fau.de; i...@kovatsch.net > Subject: Gunter Van de Velde's No Objection on draft-ietf-anima-brski-prm-18: > (with COMMENT) > > Gunter Van de Velde has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-anima-brski-prm-18: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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BRSKI-PRM supports the secure enrollment of devices, > referred to as pledges, into a domain where direct communication with > the registrar is not possible. Instead, the pledges interact with a > proxy entity that relays authenticated and authorized enrollment > requests to the registrar. This approach accommodates deployment > scenarios where network constraints, operational considerations, or > topological factors prevent direct pledge-to-registrar communication. > The protocol extensions defined in this document maintain the security > and trust properties of BRSKI while enabling broader applicability in > constrained or segmented environments. " [stf] Your proposal for an updated abstract reads good in general but misses some details, we would like to emphasize. One relates to the reversal of the interaction model. I tried to create a mixture of both, the old abstract and your suggestions. OLD This document defines enhancements to Bootstrapping a Remote Secure Key Infrastructure (BRSKI, RFC8995) to enable bootstrapping in domains featuring no or only limited connectivity between a pledge and the domain registrar. It specifically changes the interaction model from a pledge-initiated mode, as used in BRSKI, to a pledge-responding mode, where the pledge is in server role. For this, BRSKI with Pledge in Responder Mode (BRSKI-PRM) introduces new endpoints for the Domain Registrar and pledge, and a new component, the Registrar-Agent, which facilitates the communication between pledge and registrar during the bootstrapping phase. To establish the trust relation between pledge and registrar, BRSKI-PRM relies on object security rather than transport security. This approach is agnostic to the enrollment protocol that connects the domain registrar to a Key Infrastructure (e.g., domain Certification Authority). NEW This document defines enhancements to Bootstrapping Remote Secure Key Infrastructure (BRSKI, RFC8995) as BRSKI with Pledge in Responder Mode (BRSKI-PRM). BRSKI-PRM supports the secure bootstrapping of devices, referred to as pledges, into a domain where direct communication with the registrar is either limited or not possible at all. To facilitate interaction between a pledge and a domain registrar the registrar-agent is introduced as new component. The registrar-agent supports the reversal of the interaction model from a pledge-initiated mode, to a pledge-responding mode, where the pledge is in a server role. To establish the trust relation between pledge and registrar, BRSKI-PRM relies on object security rather than transport security. This approach is agnostic to enrollment protocols that connect a domain registrar to a key infrastructure (e.g., domain Certification Authority). > > 183 Security information about the customer domain, specifically the > 184 customer domain certificate, are exchanged and authenticated > 185 utilizing signed data objects, the voucher artifacts as defined in > 186 [RFC8995]. > > GV> original text reads odd. Revised textblob: > > " > Security information pertaining to the customer domain, specifically, > the customer domain certificate, is exchanged and authenticated > through the use of signed data objects, namely the voucher artifacts, as > defined in [RFC8995]. " [stf] Accepted with a small change: "Security information pertaining to the customer domain, specifically, the customer domain certificate, is exchanged and authenticated through the use of signed data objects, namely the voucher artifacts, as defined in [I-D.ietf-anima-rfc8366bis]." > > 3789 10.2. Service Name and Transport Protocol Port Number Registry > 3790 > 3791 IANA has registered the following service names: > 3792 > 3793 *Service Name:* brski-pledge > 3794 *Transport Protocol(s):* tcp > 3795 *Assignee:* IESG i...@ietf.org (mailto:i...@ietf.org) > 3796 *Contact:* IETF Chair ch...@ietf.org (mailto:ch...@ietf.org) > 3797 *Description:* The Bootstrapping Remote Secure Key Infrastructure > 3798 Pledge > 3799 *Reference:* [THISRFC] > > GV> Does this need to be the iesg and the chair to be as assignee and contact? > At first glance this looks unusual. This seems to have happened in v18 > of the draft. [stf] We got the comments leading to the actual statement from the IANA review and was updated in the last version. Best regards Steffen > > Gunter Van de Velde > RTG Area Director > > _______________________________________________ Anima mailing list -- anima@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to anima-le...@ietf.org
