Just to complete the thought:

Whether such a voucher would be pinned is something we do not have to specify, 
with the risks of it not being pinned being born by the owner.

Eliot

> On 11 Jul 2019, at 23:44, Eliot Lear <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
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> One thought:
> 
> I think the simplest way to address the bulk of both Adam’s and Warren’s 
> concern is to require the device to emit via whatever management interface 
> exists, upon request, a voucher that it has signed with its own iDevID.  It 
> would have to be nonceless with perhaps a long expiry, and that would cover a 
> number of other use cases as well.  That way if the manufacturer goes out of 
> business, or if the owner wants to transfer the device without manufacturer 
> consent, there is a way forward.
> 
> Eliot
> 
> 

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