(Resend with the right address for Alvaro.)
Even if the WG concluded it did not want to address some of the issues from by Routing Directorate review, I would have expected a revision to address the lesser issues that had been agreed to, before the IESG could vote on the document.

Yours,
Joel

On 5/18/18 4:24 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Alissa,

"On agenda of 2018-05-24 IESG telechat" surprises me. I thought
a -14 version was the next step.

I'll repeat my opinion on the reference issue, being a co-author
of the reference model (draft-ietf-anima-reference-model). We
never expected that to be treated as a normative reference. While
it definitely provides useful background for the ACP draft, I
don't see it as being required reading for a correct implementation.

Regards
    Brian

On 19/05/2018 05:08, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi,

I was wondering if any response to Elwyn’s review besides Brian’s is 
forthcoming and if so when the authors or shepherd expect to send it.

Thanks,
Alissa

On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Toerless Eckert <[email protected]> wrote:

Sorry, trying to get through backlog. Took longer than expected...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 01:04:53AM +0100, Elwyn Davies wrote:
Hi.
It has been about 6 weeks since responses to the review were postponed till 
after IETF 101.... any thoughts yet?
Regards,Elwyn


Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message --------From: Elwyn Davies <[email protected]> Date: 
02/03/2018  12:04  (GMT+00:00) To: Brian E Carpenter <[email protected]>, 
[email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: 
[Gen-art] Gen-art LC Review of
   draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-13
Just taking up one point for the time being....
Even if the reference model is informational, I was relying on RFC 8067, s1, 
para 3:
    Section 2 of [RFC3967] lists some conditions under which downrefs may
    make sense.  In addition to those, it has become common for working
    groups to produce foundational documents (which contain important
    information such as terminology definitions and architectural design
    and considerations) at Informational status, and those documents are
    often needed as normative references in the Standards Track protocol
    documents that follow.
I would say that sombody implementing ACP really needs to have read and 
understood the reference model and so I would argue:1. That it needs to be 
normative,and2. The downref is sanctioned by the language in RFC 8067.
I am on holiday for a week and others are fighting the draft deadline so 
perhaps we can postpone discussion of the other points until the draft panic 
has subsided.
Cheers,Elwyn
Sent from Samsung tablet.

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