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On 10/25/17 15:08, Michael Richardson wrote:
> Joe, Max, Kent and I worked through your comments, and this will
> result in a version -06 shortly.  (06 will also include changes to
> CMS)
> 
> On 10/04/17 13:39, Joe Clarke wrote:
>> In terms of revocation tests, it might be worth mentioning (from
>> an operator perspective) that doing this may require broader
>> internet connectivity than a bootstrapping device may typically
>> have.  Opening up that connectivity may be problematic from a
>> security standpoint.  There might, therefore, be some 
>> requirements or recommendations put on the bootstrapping services
>> to make sure a device is both protected and can verify the
>> validity of a cert.
> 
> In general, the need for connectivity to check revocation is why
> we prefer short-lived vouchers.

That's fine.  My point was in doing this there should be some callout
to the fact that the certs will require connectivity for validation.

> 
>> 
>> From a terminology standpoint, the use of the word "pledge" seems
>> odd.  The use of this word may not translate as clearly outside
>> of the US.  Why not something like candidate?
> 
> That's an interesting suggestion. It has a slightly different 
> connotation and implies some kind of contest.
> 
> We picked pledge based upon the traditions of fraternities, with 
> inspiration from movies like Animal House.  Dictionary definitions
> of Pledge reinforce our usage.

I speak US English, and I knew what you meant.  But I, too, looked it
up, and I didn't find this as a common definition.  If I'm the only
one commenting, pledge is likely fine.  I was just curious if this
would be as obvious for non-US English speakers.

> 
>> Below are my section-by-section reviews:
>> 
>> Section 1:
>> 
>> There is a reference to a "second category" of vouchers, but this
>> is not referenced anywhere else.  I'm not sure what the
>> "categories" of vouchers are. More explanation (or rephrasing) is
>> required here.
> 
> We have clarified the "second category".  Also removed the word 
> ephemeral in the intro as being confusing here
> 
> The categories are essentially: "nonce" (freshness by being online,
> and containing data from the pledge), and "time-based" (freshness
> by having a useful real-time clock and paying attention to the
> expires-on attribute).  So we changed that paragraph to:
> 
> The lifetimes of vouchers may vary.  In some bootstrapping
> protocols the vouchers may include a nonce restricting them to a
> single use, whereas in others the vouchers may have an indicated
> lifetime.  In order to support long lifetimes this document
> recommends using short lifetimes with programatic renewal, see
> Section 7.1.

Thanks.

> 
>> Section 6.1:
>> 
>> Is this needed?  Can you simply refer to
>> draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams?
> 
> We ripped out section 4, and referenced the document informatively,
> and hope that it will get published.

Thanks.

Joe

> 
> 
> 

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