Don't feed the trolls. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> > Justin, > > This group isn't run just for your benefit and so I'm not sure why you > think you should be the one to decide what is and isn't on-topic. > > In the 2 days you've been part of the group I've seen two people tell > you your posts are not welcomed, so maybe you should take the hint, sit > back, and use the delete button instead of the reply button to topics > you don't want to read. > > As I said before, the Google engineers speak up when we're straying from > the beaten path, and those requests are respected, but I'm afraid you > haven't earned the respect we show them and so I would suggest you > accept that fact that this list isn't run the way you think it should be. > > Al. > > Justin Allen Jaynes wrote: > > Al, and all who share his sentiments, > > > > I am from Idaho and I am new to THIS list. But it doesn't mean I > > haven't spend a lot of time READING this forum, and in other developer > > forums as well. I understand how they work and that there are rules, > > which, when followed, significantly improve the quality of the content. > > > > I can understand your resistance to begin complying with the rules. > > Approximately half of your posts are off topic. However, if you were to > > move such conversations to the android-discuss group, your relevant and > > useful dialog there would encourage others to move to that forum as > > well, when they wish to discuss non-development subjects. It would > > improve both forums, to separate the content by topic, would it not? > > > > You are right. This discussion does add traffic to the group. But if > > reminding the users of the group of it's clearly defined usages cuts > > just 20 illegitimate emails out of the list daily, a few posts like this > > are worth it. I think the majority of this groups subscribers would > agree. > > > > Justin > > > > Al Sutton wrote: > > > >> Justin, > >> > >> Whilst it's nice to see new people on the list, it's probably best to > >> get a feel for how the list works rather than trying to wade in with > >> how you think the world should work because all you're doing at the > >> moment is getting yourself on peoples auto-trash lists. > >> > >> The Google engineers chip in when they feel we're straying from the > >> path and we all respect their views because they have a genuine > >> undeniable interest in seeing this community developer. If you compare > >> this to what we know of you, which is that you are a little known > >> developer from Idaho whose first post was less than a day ago, you can > >> hopefully see why those of us who have been trying to help build this > >> community for a while now may not see your opinion as worthy of a > >> similar level of respect. > >> > >> Now, as this has gotten off topic, I'm sure you wouldn't want to reply > >> here, would you? > >> > >> Al. > >> > >> Justin Allen Jaynes wrote: > >> > >>> Stoyan, > >>> > >>> While I thank you for informing me of two OTHER choices, I prefer to > >>> continue to inform people ABOUT the charter so they will read it. It > >>> isn't too much to ask that people use the right forum for the right > >>> discussion. > >>> > >>> This IS a DEVELOPER forum: > >>> > >>> "You're now an experienced Android application developer. You've > grasped > >>> the basics of Android app development, you're comfortable using the > SDK, > >>> now you want to move to advanced topics. Get help here with > >>> troubleshooting applications, advice on implementation, and strategies > >>> for improving your application's performance and user experience. This > >>> is the not the right place to discuss user issues (use android-discuss > >>> for that) or beginner questions with the Android SDK (use > >>> android-beginners for that)." > >>> > >>> There IS an appropriate forum for "water-cooler" talk. It is not here. > >>> It is at android-disc...@googlegroups.com > >>> > >>> http://developer.android.com/community > >>> > >>> > >>> Stoyan Damov wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Justin, calm down, it's your 5th or so message "aaargh, this is a > >>>> DEVELPER forum" - it's starting to piss me off, at least fix the typo > >>>> :P > >>>> > >>>> If you think that more than 5% of all posters on this list have read > >>>> the group charter you're fooling yourself. > >>>> > >>>> I've said it once - this is the only developer-oriented list (not to > >>>> be confused with "development-oriented" or > >>>> "SDK-questions-only-oriented" list, no matter what Google are > >>>> thinking), so there *will* be such questions. If you don't think a > >>>> post appropriate you have 2 choices: > >>>> > >>>> 1. If you're a moderator, delete the message > >>>> 2. If you're a mere mortal like us, just mute the post (if using > Gmail) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Justin Allen Jaynes < > jus...@ragblue.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Actually, it is off topic and should not be here. Android-discuss > would > >>>>> be okay, though. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is a DEVELPER forum. Please keep to DEVELOPMENT topic. A quote > >>>>> from the official description of the forum: > >>>>> > >>>>> "This is the not the right place to discuss user issues (use > >>>>> android-discuss for that)." > >>>>> > >>>>> For a full description of the PROPER use of this form, and of the > >>>>> android-discuss form, go to > >>>>> > >>>>> http://developer.android.com/community > >>>>> > >>>>> Sena Gbeckor-Kove wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Personally I don't think its an issue. I think it should stay in > here > >>>>>> and android-discuss unless there is already a place for it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> S > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4 Mar 2009, at 17:24, John Lauricella wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Is it possible to start a new discussion group for folks who > promote > >>>>>>> their own products that compete with the Android Market, so we > don't > >>>>>>> get this constant conflict-of-interest commentary on how bad the > >>>>>>> Google system is... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:38:49 +0000 > >>>>>>>> From: a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com> > >>>>>>>> To: android-developers@googlegroups.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [android-developers] Re: (OT) Is the combination of > Android > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Market and Google Checkout a joke? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'm getting more and more tempted to open up paid-for apps on > >>>>>>>> AndAppStore where all payments go directly to the developers > account so > >>>>>>>> they can set the T&Cs. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Would this be something people would be interested in? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Al. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Semprebon wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It would be nice if some other pricing models were available (for > >>>>>>>>> example, subscriptions), but I just don't see a "no returns" or > even a > >>>>>>>>> "no returns after 1 hour" model being very popular with users. I > may > >>>>>>>>> be wrong, but I don't think most people see these products as > >>>>>>>>> consumables in the same way you do. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 11:41 pm, madcoder <paperga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I believe there should be demos and full apps in the market. It > >>>>>>>>>> shouldn't be too hard to do. If the user downloads the lite > version > >>>>>>>>>> then buys the regular version, there should be a 1-2 hour refund > >>>>>>>>>> window (in case it doesn't work as promised). This is much > better > >>>>>>>>>> than the 48 hours refund policy that allows people to have their > cake > >>>>>>>>>> and not pay for it too. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I really wish Google would address this. They can look forward > to a > >>>>>>>>>> very lackluster market if they don't. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >>>>>>>> company number 6741909. 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