At Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:47:55 +0300,
Sergei Steshenko wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:38:00 +0200
> Takashi Iwai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > At Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:24:52 +0300,
> > Sergei Steshenko wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:11:44 +0200
> > > Ákos Maróy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > > > The default format for dsnoop is S16, and ice1712 supports only
> > > > > S32_LE.  You have to set the format parameter in slave pcm of dsnoop,
> > > > > too.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > thanks, now it works!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Akos
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > Guys/girls,
> > > 
> > > do we always need the developers to understand that something is wrong
> > > with ALSA configuration ?
> > > 
> > > Shouldn't ALSA SW scream loudly that the requested S16 format is not 
> > > supported
> > > by the card ?
> > > 
> > > Can't ALSA SW suggest on such occasions what the supported formats are ?
> > > 
> > > To me the whole plugin syntax checking looks like a compiler that never
> > > reports user errors.
> > > 
> > > Is it the way compilers should be written ?
> > > 
> > > Is this non-error-reporting because of HW manufacturers don't want to make
> > > specs known or because of the decisions made by ALSA developers ?
> > > 
> > > Should a bug report be filed ?
> > 
> > You're right about that the syntax checking or error messages could be
> > improved.  But I have no big interest to improve this _right now_.
> > The more important thing is to provide a reasonable default setting
> > that you don't have to play with the extra configuration.  So, don't
> > count me in this action.
> > 
> > (In this case, he doesn't have to set up such a dsnoop configuration
> >  at all, as I mentioned in another mail.  The default setup should
> >  work as it is.)
> > 
> > BTW, a user-friendly error message is one of the most difficult thing
> > in programs.  Surely you've seen many examples from popluar and basic
> > programs like gcc or (La)TeX...
> > 
> > Anyway, as always, any improvement patches are welcome :)
> > 
> > 
> > Takashi
> > 
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> 
> Quite a long time I looked into design of simple compilers
> - ~5000 lines Pascal one, similar size RAT C compiler.
> 
> Percentage-wise most of the code was devoted to error checking rather
> than to "constructive" action.
> 
> The same is true about serious parsers I've written.
> 
> I am trying to say that a very poor decision not to implement making sense to
> end user syntax and semantics checking was made.
> 
> Too bad IMHO.
> 
> And the most likely way to resolve this is full rewrite.
> 
> Again, too bad...
> 
> By the way, I'm mostly comfortable with 'gcc' error messages.

Heh, then you've never seen errors from g++ :)


Takashi


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