The information that is below is correct. The folder that you use for junk mail is junk. I remember having to deal with the authentication and all of the tokens and all of that stuff, when I had to upgrade to Alpine 2.26, and if it wasn’t for Eduardo, and his patience and understanding during several emails between him, and I, my Alpine wouldn’t work as well as it does.
As far as spam goes, I remember one time where they were using spam assassin as the program that was dealing with the spam. Whoever is in charge of the spam assassin would set the level that an email would have to be before it is considered spam. It looks at the headers. It looks at the body of the email and also may look at, certain words or phrases that call it spam . Then it assigns a number or a number of hash marks that are in the mail headers I believe and then it is marked [Spam] And the subject is then placed after the spam tag. Then you open up your headers all the way and you can look at the headers and you can see what the number was that was assigned. If the number is met, then it becomes spam if the number exceeds then it becomes spam if it does not reach , reach the number then it is considered not to be spam. It all depends on how spam assassin is set and it is a program that runs independently of the mail spool, I believe. With regards to Outlook 365, I’m not sure how the spam system operates, but it probably works on the same principle that there has to be a certain number of hits before the system determines that it spam and moves it to junk, or the user can hit the spam button at the top and move it to junk. I think the only way that you could determine that something was spam is to run a spam program if you have your own system, or if something is spam and is not detected and deleted, you could market a spam and I believe it is deleted after 30 days . I don’t think that Eduardo could implement a spam elimination option into Alpine because Alpine is the program that you use to read your email, but it also has the ability to send it and receive it. If Eduardo was going to do such a thing, he would probably have to know what is considered spamming be able to add algorithms or programming statements that would allow that to be marked as spam. Running a spam program against your mail. Spool can also be time-consuming and also resource intensive so I’m not sure if Eduardo could do such a thing but when we had spam assassin, running on Tallahassee free net, we were also able to use pine: version 3.95 and 3.96 to be exact: I guess that may be showing my age since we are already at Alpine 2.26, and I owe Eduardo a large “thank you“ for helping me to make Alpine 2.26 work exactly as it intends. It was a little resource intensive brain wise, but I got it working! Sometimes I think Microsoft products are awesome, and sometimes I think they are prohibitive. I remember when Microsoft would make us do stuff like upgrade Windows because it says it has an update and then it automatically starts the process. I remember one time where I was working on a document, and I save that document. I was running windows XP, everything was fine, then I had to go into the bathroom by the time that happened and update happened and all the sudden I’m running windows 10! I was livid and I had to run a program called “ stop 10“ that removes the ability of the system to upgrade the Windows 10 because it stops that process and delete it. They should be the one to decide when they upgrade to windows and what version to upgrade to and not an automatic upgrade script that was one of the downsides of windows. Since I work in the computer industry and have worked there for 35 years on and off, I know that this can be a pain because in the granite industry for example, some companies run and other equipment based on computers, and they use computers for CAD design and other things, and the size can be controlled by that particular machine. The only disadvantage to having windows do an auto update is that if the granite industry, for example, doesn’t have their windows exactly right to the right version and everything compatible before the upgrade happens the next morning then they have to back out the updates and sometimes that’s even more ridiculous than letting it update. That is why it’s important that windows understand that it’s the user that should decide not the machine. Nowadays, windows 10 does not do automatic updates and neither does Windows 11. You can tell the computer not to do the updates, but it took a long time for Microsoft to get the point. Automatic updates can screw up machinery that depends on a Windows 7 installation to run otherwise it would cause problems if they’re not ready to upgrade or unable to that is why Windows XP had the longest life of any system that I remember. Now that we have 0365, they say it’s better than outlook express and it’s better than the online version of Outlook, but I’ve learned that the best thing to do is to have most of your mail online. That way you don’t lose your mailbox, you don’t have to back up OST files or DAT files to keep your mail current. Having it on Microsoft servers can be a pain in the neck but at least if you have your mail online, you don’t have to worry about transferring it down or making sure that you have all the email that you have. Take care! Brian Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2024, at 7:54 AM, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info > <alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2024, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote: > >> >> Office365 has been enforced at work, and I'm now using "Alpine >> with MS365 using OAuth2" and Alpine 2.26. >> >> Some legitimate e-mail is now in the Spam folder. How do I tell >> Alpine that they are NOT spam? > > Hmm. > It is MS365, not Alpine, that puts those messages in the Spam folder > so it is MS365 that needs to be told that is wasn't spam. > > My first guess was that saving the message to another folder > - perhaps INBOX - might do the trick, but > https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/outlook-spam-folder?op=1 > suggests that Outlook has a dedicated "Junk" menu with a "Not Junk" option, > so I am not sure that this will work. Worth a try though ... > >> A few legitimate e-mails sent directly to me -- that people tell >> me they have sent -- are nowhere to be found. Not in the Spam nor >> Trash folders, Is there anywhere else I can look for them? > > That page talks about Outloook as using the name "Junk" as well as "Spam". > > -- > Andrew C. 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