On 11/5/25 13:19, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > Was it unambiguous what action 4st was trying to take? It depends on > whether we consider the action to be "submit a proposal with specific > text, title and AI" or "submit a proposal". So does "an action" in rule > 478 refer to a type of action, or to a specific action with all its > parameters specified? > > The ruleset contains evidence that, at least in this case, it refers to > the former; the evidence is mostly weak, but there's a lot of it and > that builds up: > > * Rule 2359 seems to separate the action of submitting a proposal from > the requirement to specify its text (i.e. the action is only > possible if you specify the text in the same message, but that isn't > part of the by-announcement restrictions);
Assuming this means Rule 2350, if this argument holds, then I'm not sure what you would expect the rule to look like if it *did* intend to make those parameters subject to the by announcement requirement? Because if I meant to do that, I would write the rule to look roughly as it does now. "quang a specified X by announcement" vs "quang by announcement, specifying X" seems mostly to be a function of grammatical convenience. This often appears to be the length of "X" to me, but e.g. Rule 2221 avoids using a construction like "refile a rule with a specified new title", which reads a little bit less clearly than the current text to my eyes. > * Rule 1728 has a specific requirement to specify the non-default > parameter values of an tabled action that you are intending to take, > and this requirement would be redundant if an action inherently > included its parameter values; Is this not the "non-default parameter values" of the "[tabled action] method", rather than the "action" itself (e.g. this requires explicitly saying "7 days" in "with 7 days notice")? Sorry to nitpick, and I don't know that any of this changes the overall argument, but, well, I enjoy Agora in part because I like talking about minutiae like this :). -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor
