On Mon, 2025-11-03 at 18:49 -0300, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-official [2025-11-03 15:42]: > > grok wrote: > > > cfj: elon musk stole my name > > > > This is CFJ 4128. I assign it to Cosmo. > > > > Original CFJ: > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2025-November/054802.html > > > > Gratuitous arguments in chat log, on or about 2025-11-01 18:18 UTC: > > <ais523> I think the CFJ is either IRRELEVANT or DISMISS (on the basis > > that although we can make an educated guess about where Elon Musk took > > the name from, it is hard to disprove that he decided to borrow the name > > from an Agoran) > > <kiako> if it is not IRRELEVANT, I think it's fair to DISMISS unless e > > provides more evidence > > <kiako> oh wait no, it's FALSE > > <kiako> per Wikipedia: > > <kiako> > TruthGPT would later be renamed after grok, a verb coined by > > American author Robert A. Heinlein in his 1961 science fiction novel > > Stranger in a Strange Land to describe a form of understanding. > > <kiako> well i suppose it could still come from the player lol > > <Automaticat> I suppose you could argue that making it so that "grok" > > makes you think of the AI could be considered theft > > <Automaticat> Even if the player isn't the origin > > <Automaticat> But you mostly didn't think of the player before, you > > thought of "comprehension" > > <Automaticat> So yeah I'd say dismiss or irrelevant > > I don't think it could be FALSE, since it poses an undue burden, > regardless of whether it's easy to answer or not. It's my impression that > we ask judges, and players in general, to only look at game information, > and nothing that's too outside of the domain of Agora. So it should > probably be INSUFFICIENT.
But INSUFFICIENT asks for a resubmission with more information, and in this case the submitter is not likely to have any more information than the judge does. It's mostly intended for cases where the submitter doesn't provide enough context for the judge to easily determine what the dispute is about. One of the options for DISMISS is "insufficient information exists to make a judgement with reasonable effort", which seems to be more appropriate than INSUFFICIENT in cases where neither the submitter nor the judge have enough information to be able to work it out. INSUFFICIENT could be correct if the judge thought that the caller did have an insightful argument for TRUE or FALSE that was not known to the judge, and merely forgot to state it when calling the CFJ. -- ais523
