Gratuitous arguments FOR:
Some quick references:
R217 is "Interpreting the Rules"
R2125 is "Regulated Actions"
R2579 is "Fee-based Actions"
R2659 is "Stamps"
[1] (the third paragraph of R2579)
To use a fee-based method, an entity (the Actor) who is otherwise
permitted to perform the action must announce that e is performing
the action; the announcement must specify the correct set of
assets for the fee and indicate intent to pay that fee for the
sole purpose of using that method to perform that action.
[2] (the forth part of R2579)
Upon such an announcement:
- If the Rules specify a recipient for the fee, and the Actor
CAN transfer that specified fee from emself to the recipient,
then that fee is transferred from the Actor to the recipient
and the action is performed simultaneously;
- If the Rules do not specify a recipient, and the Actor CAN
destroy the specified fee in eir possession, then that fee in
eir possession is destroyed and the action is performed
simultaneously.
- Otherwise, no changes are made to asset holdings and the
action is not performed.
[3] (paragraph 2 of R2125)
A Regulated Action CAN only be performed as described by the
Rules, and only using the methods explicitly specified in the
Rules for performing the given action. The Rules are not to be
interpreted so as to proscribe unregulated actions.
[4] (paragraph 1 of R2125)
An action is regulated if: (1) the Rules limit, allow, enable, or
permit its performance; (2) the Rules describe the circumstances
under which the action would succeed or fail; or (3) the action
would, as part of its effect, modify information for which some
player is required to be a recordkeepor.
In response to the argument that [2] is also a part of taking a fee-based
action. I make the argument that [3] is a regulated action and is performed
using "only the methods explicitly specified" and [1] explicitly specifies the
method, "To use a fee-based method", while [2] is not explicitly part of the
method itself. kiako makes the argument that [2] also applies since
since [2] falls under (3) of [4], however [4] only dictates what makes
something a regulated action not that those parts must also be used when
interpreting said action. [3] is responsible for saying how to interpret a
regulated action and it only cares about the method, which in this case is [1]
and only [1].
Additionally the use of the phrase "Upon such an announcement:" implies that
the bullets points that follow it are only a response to an attempt to use a
fee-based action and are not rules which dictate how a fee-based action works.
If the above argument is not convincing and it is determined that [2] can also
play a role in the success of a fee-based action I make the following argument.
R2152 (Mother May I?) says defines "CAN, POSSIBLE, EFFECTIVE, VALID" as meaning
"Attempts to perform the described action are successful."
Therefore since I CAN attempt to win and I CAN attempt to pay a fee, both
attempts are as R2152 prescribes "successful". The argument could be made that
"the action is not performed." found in [2] prevents that success, but I argue
when those two are at odds R217 comes into play and precedence is given to the
rule with a lower id, R2152. In the case that R2579 did use "CANNOT,
IMPOSSIBLE, INEFFECTIVE, INVALID" then R2152 (Mother May I?) could be used to
resolve the dispute between "CAN" and [2] (finding that not being able to takes
precedence and therefore the action fails), but alas [2] does not use this
language.
In the Discord snail argues the following (presumably against):
>"ineffective" is just shorthand for what [R2659] already says i think, doesn't
>look like this worked. Also Mother May I is just a list of definitions and
>isn't really involved in precedence calculations because of that. The "CAN" in
>the stamps rule is only power 1 compared to the power 3 INEFFECTIVE in the
>fee-based actions rule
To this I respond by saying the third bullet point in [2] is opposing not the
power 1 "CAN" in R2659 (Stamps) but instead the power 3 "CAN" in R2125
(Regulated Actions) which again takes precedence over the higher id R2579
(Fee-based Actions).
I thank those who have presented arguments AGAINST and whoever has to judge
this mess.
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RadicalRose
Hat: knitted cap
