On 3/17/24 22:14, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote:
> What evidence do you have that rule numbers and Id numbers are the same?
> Because arguing that this case is false has definitive disastrous effects,
> so is there another way to judge this case outside of those two options?
The earliest FLR in the agora-official archives [0] describes "rule
numbers" with numbers that match today's ID numbers.
The following proposal [1] uses "rule number" in its title and "ID
number" in its text:
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>
> Proposal 5115 (Democratic, AI=3, Disinterested) by Zefram
> restore enforcement of rule number stability
>
> Amend rule 2141 by replacing the paragraph
>
> Rules have ID numbers, to be assigned by the Rulekeepor.
>
> with
>
> Rules have ID numbers, to be assigned by the Rulekeepor. A rule
> CANNOT have the same ID number as any other rule. Once
> assigned, a rule's ID number cannot be changed.
>
> [This only applies if P5110 "Regulate ID numbers" generalised the
> assignment of ID numbers. The new rule "ID Numbers" says that ID
> numbers must be distinct and can't be changed, but that's only at
> power=2. For rules, especially with ID numbers being used to
> determine precedence, these things should be enforced at power=3. The
> detailed procedure for ID number selection and assignment remains
> separate in the "ID Numbers" rule.]
>
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CFJ 1876 [2] uses "rule number" while the contemporary ruleset [3] uses
"ID number". This is not commented upon. See also CFJ 2513.
The following proposal (never distributed?) [4] uses "rule number" to
describe what the contemporary ruleset [5] calls "ID numbers" (and even
uses it to describe the specific ID numbers in question):
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>
> Title: Sudden Death
> Author: G.
> AI: 1.0
> II: 1
> Chamber: Green
>
> [A bonus temporary win condition that only two people should ever
> be able to achieve. Start your engines!]
>
> Create the following rule, Sudden Death.
>
> The next player who wins the game by Renaissance simultaneously
> wins the game by satisfying the winning condition IN OVERTIME,
> provided no other player won the game by Renaissance in the
> same instant.
>
> If a player has won the game by Renaissance since the creation
> of this rule, the Herald CAN and SHALL, by announcement, cause
> this rule to cause Rule 2199 to repeal itself.
>
> The next player who wins the game by high score simultaneously
> wins the game by satisfying the winning condition IN OVERTIME,
> provided no other player won the game by high score in the
> same instant.
>
> If a player has won the game by High Score since the creation
> of this rule, the Herald CAN and SHALL, by a single announcement,
> cause this rule to cause Rules 2179, 2187, 2232, 2233, and 2234
> to repeal themselves in order.
>
> If none of the rules listed by rule number in the text of this
> rule exist, the Herald CAN and SHALL, by announcement, cause
> this rule to repeal itself.
>
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The following proposal [6] uses "rule number" in its title and "ID
number" in its text:
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> Proposal 6992 (Democratic, AI=3.0) by Murphy
> (coauth: omd)
> Fix rule numbers
>
> Ratify all rule ID numbers in the document purported to be the
> Short Logical Ruleset and published on or about Thu, 3 Mar 2011
> 14:40:44 -0500.
>
> Amend Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability) by replacing "modify"
> with "set or modify".
>
> Amend Rule 2141 (Role and Attributes of Rules) by replacing this
> text:
>
> Rules have ID numbers, to be assigned by the Rulekeepor, and are
> strictly ordered.
>
> Every rule shall have a title to aid in identification. If a
> rule ever does not have a title, the Rulekeepor shall assign
> a title to it by announcement as soon as possible.
>
> For the purposes of rules governing modification of instruments,
> the text, power, ID number, and title of a rule are all
> substantive aspects of the rule.
>
> with this text:
>
> Rules have ID numbers, to be assigned by the Rulekeepor.
>
> Every rule shall have a title to aid in identification. If a
> rule ever does not have a title, the Rulekeepor SHALL assign
> a title to it by announcement as soon as possible.
>
> For the purposes of rules governing modification of instruments,
> the text, power, ID number, and title of a rule are all
> substantive aspects of the rule. However, rules to the contrary
> notwithstanding, the Rulekeepor CAN set rule aspects as described
> elsewhere in this rule.
>
>
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[0]
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2002-November/000003.html
[1]
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2007-July/003153.html
[2] https://agoranomic.org/cases/?1876
[3]
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2008-January/003838.html
[4]
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2010-January/007536.html
[5]
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2010-January/007533.html
[6]
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2011-April/008648.html
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Janet Cobb
Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
