On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:49 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
<agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
> > > <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote:
> > > > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up
> > > list and do
> > > > not have my player in the Rice Down list. I also consent to all
> > > rice plans
> > > > that have no players in the Rice Up list and I am not in the
> > > Rice Down list.
> > > >
> > > > (Consent is different than intent, so this is forward looking,
> > > so I have
> > > > now played the rice game for as long as I am active.)
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't think this can provide consent for rice plans that do not
> > > yet exist.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Janet Cobb
> > >
> > > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd argue that I fit criteria 4 of Rule 2519 ("Consent"):
> > > "4. it is reasonably clear from context that e wanted the action to
> > > take place or assented to it taking place."
> > > --
> > > 4st
> > > Referee
> > > Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
> >
> >
> > Actually, let's take a step back.
> >
> > The text of the rule "The Rice Game", as enacted:
> >
> > > The Ricemastor is an office, in charge of tracking Rice, Rice Plans and
> > > Signatures. Rice is a fixed asset, ownable only by players. Any active
> > > player can create a Rice Plan by announcement, if e hasn't done so yet in
> > > the current week. Rice Plans can have Signatures, and each Signature must
> > > be of an active player. A Rice Plan has an active player's Signature as
> > > long as that player is consenting to it. An active player can destroy a
> > > Rice Plan that e has created by announcement.
> > >
> > > A Harvest occurs at the beginning of each week. When this occurs:
> > > - If there is only one Rice Plan with the most Signatures, that Rice Plan
> > > is Harvested.
> > > - If there is more than one Rice Plan with the most Signatures, the one
> > > that was created earliest is Harvested.
> > > - In all other cases, nothing happens.
> > > And then all Rice Plans are destroyed and the Harvest ends.
> > >
> > > Rice Plans consist of two lists of players, with each list having no
> > > repeated players, and the lists can be empty. One of these lists is its
> > > Rice Up list, and the other is its Rice Down list. When a Rice Plan is
> > > Harvested, for each player listed in its Rice Up list, if that player is
> > > active, e gains 1 Rice; and for each player listed in its Rice Down list,
> > > if e has at least 1 Rice then e lose 1 Rice.
> > >
> > > If after a Harvest there is a single active player with at least 2 Rice
> > and
> > > more Rice than any other player, then that player wins the game, and all
> > > Rice is destroyed. When the game has been won in this manner three times,
> > > this rule repeals itself.
> >
> >
> > Consent at Power 3 is defined only for actions. What "action" is consent
> > being evaluated for? Certainly not the creation of the rice plan itself.
> >
> >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Rule 2519/2 (Power=3)
> > > Consent
> > >
> > > A person is deemed to have consented to an action if and only if,
> > > at the time the action took place:
> > >
> > > 1. e, acting as emself, has publicly stated that e agrees to the
> > > action and not subsequently publicly withdrawn eir statement;
> > > 2. e is party to a contract whose body explicitly and
> > > unambiguously indicates eir consent;
> > > 3. the action is taken as part of a promise which e created; or
> > > 4. it is reasonably clear from context that e wanted the action to
> > > take place or assented to it taking place.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > --
> > Janet Cobb
> >
> > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
> >
>
> So, if there is no action, then consent just takes on the regular
> meaning.... Thus, you can consent to rice plans non-publicly, which
> seems... troublesome....
> Maybe, hopefully, the "regular meaning" is just the meaning presented in
> the rules.
Alternate argument: If "consent" in that context has the meaning
presented in the rules, then the rules regulate whether it's
successful, then it's regulated, and you CANNOT do it outside of the
R2519 mechanism, which is the only place that describes how it
succeeds or fails.
-G.
