On 4/2/23 13:59, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote:
> The below CFJ is 4019. I assign it to Janet.
>
> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#4019
>
> =============================== CFJ 4019 ===============================
>
> In this message, I had qualified players lift the First Speaker in
> a powerful dance around the fountain.
>
> ==========================================================================
>
> Caller: Juan
>
> Judge: Janet
>
> ==========================================================================
>
> History:
>
> Called by Juan: 27 Mar 2023 18:21:13
> Assigned to Janet: [now]
>
> ==========================================================================
>
> Caller's Evidence:
>
> Juan wrote, to Agora-Business:
>> Forest Sweeney via agora-business [2023-03-27 08:56]:
>>> Here are some interesting reports you should go and look at. What did these
>>> offices do? What was in these reports? Some things have changed!
>>>
>>> In response to the Sun 24 Feb 2008 Conductor Report, I declare the ritual
>>> number as 10.
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg01091.html
>>> […]
>>>
>>> In response to
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg06559.html
>>> I declare the ritual number as 15.
>>>
>>> I'm done for now. I'll be back later until someone inevitably
>>> doesn't like this and fixes the timeframes we can report on.
>>> :) It's just 1 point and this is a lot of work to dig up :P
>> For each natural number N from 16 to 41, I perform the following action:
>>
>> {
>> In response to the Nth ritual act ever performed, I declare the ritual
>> number to be N.
>> }
>>
>> I have qualified players lift the First Speaker in a powerful dance
>> around the fountain, thereby making it so all of em earn 1 radiance.
> Caller's Arguments:
>
> Arguments FOR:
>
> The only issue here is whether the intent is clear and unambiguous, which
> ultimately will come down to some criterion of reasonable effort. The only
> information that needs to be verified is whether 1) there were at least 41
> ritual acts, and that 2) none of those have had a ritual number declared in
> response. Well, I posit that those two facts are patently obvious, even
> though it might be unreasonably hard to identify specifically which acts
> were those. But their identity, alas, is irrelevant.
>
> ==========================================================================
Draft judgement in CFJ 4019:
{
Although the caller states that this case turns only on whether eir
attempts were sufficiently clear, it also depends on whether 4st's
purported declarations of the ritual number as 10 to 15 succeeded (at [0]).
I find that these purported declarations were not successful. R2680/1
phrases the definitions of ritual acts as ongoing and present tense.
Similarly, the enabling of declaring the ritual number is phrased as
present and ongoing. Thus, I find that the ENABLING of declaring a
ritual number attaches when the ritual act is performed and does not
apply retrospectively past when R2680 was enacted. Thus, the purported
declarations from 10 to 15 were referencing events that were not ritual
acts.
However, the caller raises the argument that R2680 does not require the
declaration of a ritual number to include a reference to a specific
event. I find that this is not correct. R2680's phrasing of "for each
ritual act" suggests that the declaration applies to a specific ritual
act, and thus the specification of the action must include the specific
ritual act. The caller's purported declarations even seem to accept
that, as they attempt to include a reference to a specific ritual act,
rather than just having a raw declaration.
Thus, I find that 4st's purported declarations from 10-15 were invalid
because they failed to specify the required ritual act.
Although this finding means that I do not need to reach the clarity of
caller's purported declarations from 16-41 (sine they are invalid due to
not being at most 1 greater than some previous declaration), I will
continue to resolve the controversy anyway.
Having found that a specific ritual act must be referenced for a
declaration to be valid, the question is now what communication standard
must be met. I find that the standard is equivalent to the normal
"specify" standard. The only clarity standard weaker than that in the
rules is used in R869 registration, which is explicitly and deliberately
weaker than "by announcement" (and includes "reasonably clearly and
reasonably unambiguously"). Given that the only weaker standard has
explicit and clear wording, I find that, under the "game custom" factor,
it is not reasonable to read in a weaker clarity standard than "specify".
Having found that specific ritual acts must be referenced and having
identified the clarity standard, suffice it to say that the purported
declarations do not meet it. It is not reasonable effort for a ritual
officer to identify the Nth ritual act ever performed.
HELD:
1. The ability to declare a ritual number attaches to specific ritual acts.
2. The ability to declare a ritual number in response to a ritual act
attaches when it occurs, and thus does not apply retrospectively
before R2680 was enacted.
3. The relevant ritual act must be referenced as part of a ritual
number declaration.
4. The clarity standard for referencing a ritual act from a ritual
number declaration is "specifying".
5. 4st's purported declarations of the ritual number from 10 to 15 were
invalid.
6. Caller's purported declarations thus failed due to the specified
ritual numbers being too large.
7. Caller's purported declarations were invalid due to failing to meet
the clarity standard for referencing the relevant ritual act.
Judged FALSE.
}
Evidence:
{
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rule 2680/1 (Power=1)
Ritual Paper Dance
Firstly: Each of these is a ritual act:
- Performing a cabinet order
- Assigning a judgement
- Awarding ribbons
- Once per week per report type, publishing a report
- Once per week per player, nominating for office
- Once per week per player, voting
Secondly: Once for each ritual act, any player, including the
player who performed the ritual act, CAN, by announcement, declare
the ritual number. A ritual number is a number that starts at 0,
and can be at most 1 greater than any other declared ritual
number. A purported attempt to declare the ritual number is a
self-ratifying attestation that such attempt was successful and
that the ritual number was declared.
Thirdly: Once, each time a unique positive multiple of 41 is
declared, in the same message the declarer CAN, by announcement,
have qualifying players lift The First Speaker in a powerful dance
around the fountain, while also announcing that those players'
gain 1 radiance, in such a way that is unambiguous and clear, so
that in fact, those players' do gain 1 radiance. This does not
increase their radiance by 2, nor does it increase it by 3 or 4. 5
is right out.
Fourthly: Players are qualifying under this rule if:
- they are active
- do not have the highest radiance
- are not tied for the highest radiance
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rule 869/51 (Power=3)
How to Join and Leave Agora
Any entity (including a group of entities confederated with the
intent of forming a single person under this Rule) that is or ever
was able to willingly communicate original ideas is a person.
Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, no other entities are
persons.
Questions about personhood are to be resolved equitably, with
regard for the good-faith of those involved and the customs of
honorable play.
Citizenship is a secured person switch with values Unregistered
(default) and Registered, tracked by the Registrar. A registered
person is a Player. To "register" someone is to flip that person's
Citizenship switch from Unregistered to Registered.
An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or
prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that
indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e
intends to become a player at that time. No person can be a player
if e is part of another player or another player is part of em.
A player, acting as emself, CAN deregister (cease being a player)
by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT register or be registered
for 30 days.
A person, by registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules
CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide by any agreement without
that person's willful consent.
The Rules CANNOT compel non-players to act without their express
or reasonably implied consent. The rules CANNOT compel players to
unduly harass non-players. A non-person CANNOT be a player, rules
to the contrary notwithstanding.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2023-March/050842.html
{
Here are some interesting reports you should go and look at. What did these
offices do? What was in these reports? Some things have changed!
In response to the Sun 24 Feb 2008 Conductor Report, I declare the ritual
number as 10.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg01091.html
In response to the Mon, 24 May 2010 Power Station Manager Report, I declare
the ritual number as 11.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04617.html
In response to the Tue, 17 Aug 2010 Ship Computor Report, I declare the
ritual number as 12.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04806.html
In response to the Tue, 12 Apr 2011 Promotor Report, I declare the ritual
number as 13.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg05444.html
In response to the Mon, 22 Jun 2009 Grand Poobah Report, I declare the
ritual number as 14.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg03527.html
In response to the Mon, 22 Feb 2010 Notary Report, I declare the ritual
number as 15.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04425.html
In response to the Tue, 14 Jul 2009 LPRS Report, I declare nothing.
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg03663.html
In response to
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04827.html
I declare the ritual number as 11.
In response to
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg04448.html
I declare the ritual number as 12.
In response to
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg05368.html
I declare the ritual number as 13.
In response to
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg06018.html
I declare the ritual number as 14.
In response to
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/msg06559.html
I declare the ritual number as 15.
I'm done for now. I'll be back later until someone inevitably
doesn't like this and fixes the timeframes we can report on.
:/) It's just 1 point and this is a lot of work to dig up :P /
--
4st
Deputy(AKA FAKE) referee, Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor
Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
}
}
--
Janet Cobb
Assessor, Mad Engineer, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
