-------- Original Message -------- On May 28, 2020, 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 5/28/2020 9:42 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > If I accidentally moved a knight wrong and neither of us noticed until a move > or two later, I broke the rules. But did I cheat? I don't think so. That's > the distinction I'm trying to draw. > One of the issues is that we don't really do "equity" (we tried once, it was complicated and interesting but I don't think it really worked). By which I mean, if you discover the wrong knight (and it's not a tournament), you can discuss with the other player: what's fairer and more equitable: leave it where it is? Put it where it should be? Go back two moves? Start over? That would also depend on whether the misplacement led to the loss of a Queen, how important it was to the following moves, etc. We don't really do that "adjust gamestate to make up for the violation" so we have to reduce to a common currency and just discourage by applying a game penalty. And as soon as it's "currency" it becomes transactional (as R. Lee's comments show). In fact, the first draft of the card system was meant to purposefully get away from transactional punishment. A Green Card was meant to be a flag and caution: "yes, you did break a rule and shouldn't have, but it didn't really affect the game so Green". Making it a social contract that "you really should have done that - doing that makes it less fun for all of us" rather than "if you profited from this you can pay off the blot and not worry". -G.
Equity itself is transactional though, because we're all players and any transactions might affect all of us. In chess a judge could make a ruling to even it out, but our judges are also playing at the same time. What about automatically blotting violations and then raise it to a justice system when someone thinks the violation was intentional and maleficent? The routine mistakes would be dealt with in a minor way with an easy system to say "wait, this is more serious."
