On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:08 AM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:00 AM Kerim Aydin <ke...@uw.edu> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:57 AM Aris Merchant >> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > 8201 Aris 3.0 Just Make Them Write It Out >> > > AGAINST. The fix above (8200) does a better job at the fix. >> > > >> > >> > Please read the comment; this fixes a different problem, not the same >> one. >> >> I sympathize with the comment - working similarly in Arbitor-world >> it's a bear when people don't clearly label arguments/evidence etc. >> But I'd still prefer to leave those fields optional. Proposing is >> something newer players struggle with and the added little kick of "we >> don't let you rely defaults, you have to re-submit" should be avoided. >> (Personally, I would prefer pending proposals cost something as a >> voluntary quality control rather than relying on exact inclusion of >> all the data all the time, but I know I'm in the minority on that >> right now). > > > > Actually, I think this would help new players. In particular, new players > tend not to understand the power/AI system, and thus tend to submit > proposals that have defaulted AI even when that isn’t actually correct. > Let’s face it, most proposals need an AI greater than 1.0. I think it’s > more user-friendly for that just to fail than to say “now you’ve not only > got to remember to fix it, but also retract the existing version”. If they > don’t resubmit their proposal is just going to stay broken, and then people > will vote against it, which is IMO stronger negative feedback than it just > telling them “that didn’t work because you left out a mandatory field”. > Titles are less of an issue in someways, but if someone leaves out a title > they’re just going to confuse anyone. If we could set defaults that worked > most of the time, then it would make sense to have defaults. As it is, we > have defaults that are either often broken (1.0 AI) or terribly bad > practice and as likely as not to annoy everyone (empty title). Making them > mandatory helps everyone get it right, including new players. > > -Aris > >> >> I’m pretty convinced this is a good idea, and if you (the PM) and your zombie both vote against it it doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of passing at AI 3.0. -Aris
