I think that’s incorrect. Unless the rules explicitly say “the contract can’t punish someone for X”, he meaning of a statement on the part of the rules that a person can’t be considered bound to a contract is that the rules won’t consider them bound. Contracts can have their own subjective opinions, which can differ from those of the rules. Consider this: a contract can always say “Person X is not a part to this contract, but all further provisions of this contract shall operate as if e were”. Likewise, the contract can do the same for an office, or any other legal device. Allow contracts to do that without explicitly writing it out doesn’t make them any more powerful, it just provides shorthand.
-Aris On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin <ke...@uw.edu> wrote: > > Aris, > > The more I think about it, the more I think that a judge should throw it > out. Contracts are made under the intent that they are binding under the > rules. If a rule specifically says that a contract can't do X, the parties > to the contract have agreed that the rules say the contract doesn't have > that authority. > > How about another example: if a contract said that a person was bound to a > contract without their consent? You might say "well, the contract can > apply > contract penalties and pretend that a person is a member, as long as Agora > doesn't get involved." But then, let's say I'm a legit member, I could say > "the fact that that person is considered bound to the contract violates my > own position in the contract, and I agreed that Agora is the authority in > these matters". > > -G. > > On 2/16/2019 11:30 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Well, it's unclear to me if a judge would say "that office works just > like > > you would expect except the ADoP doesn't have to track it" or "contracts > > can't do that, so those clauses are void". IMO it's just worth a little > > precaution with an easily-added clause (eg. when contracts didn't have > mint > > authority, we used to use "a Qurrency is the same as a currency but just > for > > the contract" or something specific like that). > > > > On 2/16/2019 10:58 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> I believe that under long-standing contract construction rules, > contracts > >> can pretend that they can do rule things even if the rules don’t think > so. > >> The effect is that the contract behaves as closely as possible to the > way > >> in which it would were it a rule. > >> > >> -Aris > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin <ke...@uw.edu> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I think the proposed fix to Telnaior's scam includes an amendment such > that > >>> offices can only be defined by the Rules. > >>> > >>> On 2/16/2019 10:15 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > >>>> We must ensure that the Ritual is appeased. I therefore humbly submit > to > >>> the Agoran public this proto contract: > >>>> > >>>> /// > >>>> > >>>> This contract is to be known as The Church of The Ritual. Parties to > the > >>> contract are the faithful; nonparties are heathens. A player can become > >>> faithful by announcement upon transferring 5 coins to the Church; a > player > >>> can become heathen by announcement. > >>>> > >>>> The priest and the heretic are imposed offices. The player who first > >>> performs The Ritual in any given Agoran week becomes the priest (if > >>> faithful) or the heretic (if a heathen). At the start of each Agoran > week, > >>> the offices of priest and heretic are made vacant. > >>>> > >>>> The faithful MUST prevent all players from becoming the heretic; > failure > >>> to do so is the crime of Abetting Heresy. > >>>> > >>>> The heretic MUST be shunned. The priest SHOULD be treated right good. > >>>> > >>>> Upon being installed in the office of priest, a faithful CAN once > cause > >>> the Church to transfer to em 5 coins. > >>>> > >>>> If the Church has fewer than 10 coins, any faithful CAN once call a > >>> collection by announcement. When a collection is called, the faithful > MUST > >>> in a timely fashion transfer to the Church a sum of coins equal to 5 / > X, > >>> rounded up to the nearest coin, where X is the number of faithful. > >>>> > >>> >
