All that said, I have no damn clue why the minimum winning bid on
a zombie with 40 coins isn't 39 coins. It's a no-brainer, and if we were
sitting around a board game table I don't doubt the bidding action
would push that high out of straight rational board game play. That
really defies my expectations.
On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> We purposefully set out a year ago to have a sustainable long-term
> economy - from experience with our past "long-term" economies
> we let then run for 2-3 years before getting bored enough to scrap.
>
> The thing is, even real world economies tend towards concentrations
> of wealth - the principle of investment/encouragement to participate
> is the positive feedback loop (investments pay off), which make growth
> exponential, which means a leader will multiply eir advantage.
>
> I think the best quick fix here is limiting land auctions in some way
> that land ownership remains balanced by making it exponentially
> harder for the rich to buy basic land (though this concept is basic
> the technical implementation is tricky though).
>
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote:
> > Not that I think blognomic is the best way of doing things. Unlike
> > blognomic, this game's main attraction is slow development, proposals
> > and legal interpretation: all of which are entirely equitable from the
> > outset.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Rebecca <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > (sorry for the spamming but)
> > >
> > > I think the old zombie system was (as Cuddlebeam would have it)
> > > gerontocratic, But ultimately, all Agoran systems are meant to be
> > > temporary and award non-scam-based victories based on economic or
> > > systems manipulation over a reasonably short period of time. In a
> > > period in which not all are playing optimally, but some are (such as
> > > G., who was the only person bothered to win auctions), we must not
> > > equalize the playing field by removing unfair game systems, but
> > > instead create doable victory conditions and allow players to reach
> > > them based on their not-inequitably-created advantage.
> > >
> > > An advantage of blognomic's systems (channeling CB a lot here) is that
> > > a new player can rarely win while joining mid-dynasty but is totally
> > > level in the next dynasty, usually weeks off. By seeking to remove
> > > older players' advantage, we disadvantage new players more
> > > permanently.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Rebecca <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> That's nearly always objectively correct.
> > >>
> > >> Note also that because bids can be retracted, PSS could have and
> > >> should have retracted his bid here and bid 3, giving em (even more)
> > >> free money. Zombie auctions cannot be sustained like this, although
> > >> zombies themselves are interesting.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Corona <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> That is a logical consequence of barring the players who are invested in
> > >>> the auctions enough to already have purchased a zombie in past auctions.
> > >>>
> > >>> You know, I think next time I will just get rid of my zombie before the
> > >>> auction just so that I can purchase a new one and acquire its riches.
> > >>>
> > >>> ~Corona
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Rebecca <[email protected]>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The bids on zombie auctions are freakin' silly: I just bid 2 coins to
> > >>>> get 22 coins for free. Meanwhile people are bidding tens of coins on
> > >>>> land units with far less worth.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:11 PM, Rebecca <[email protected]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> > I pay Agora 2 coins for the purpose of flipping Ouri's master switch
> > >>>> > to myself and transfer each of Ouri's assets to me.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 3:25 AM, Kerim Aydin <[email protected]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> The zombie auction has ended.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> PSS has won Kenyon for 16 Coins.
> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada has won Ouri for 2 Coins.
> > >>>> >> twg has won o for 1 Coin.
> > >>>> >> Trigon has won Quazie for 1 Coin.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Winners, please pay Agora your winning bid to flip the zombie's
> > >>>> >> master switch to you.
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >> Bids (earliest first)
> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada 9x
> > >>>> >> twg 14x
> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada 15x
> > >>>> >> twg 1
> > >>>> >> Trigon 1
> > >>>> >> V.J. Rada 2
> > >>>> >> PSS 16
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >>
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > --
> > >>>> > From V.J. Rada
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> From V.J. Rada
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> From V.J. Rada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > From V.J. Rada
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From V.J. Rada
> >
>
>
