Sorry, G. judged that paying without recipient doesn't mean transferring
to anyone but it means destruction (see below), so you didn't pay (you
would have attempted to transfer to Aris, right?) I'm for a proposal to
give you the farm back.
Oh heck, if there's a time for a political power play in pursuit of the
greater good, it's now.
I issue a Cabinet Order of Certiorari (Arbitor) to assign the below case
to myself.
I deliver the following judgement:
FALSE, based on the Caller's Arguments for FALSE.
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> I CFJ on: If the Rules say you CAN do something by paying assets, without
> specifying a destination for the payment, you CAN do it by transferring
> those assets to anyone.
>
> Arguments:
>
> Straightforward argument for TRUE:
> R2166 overrides common definitions by making "pay" a synonym for transfer:
> > An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. paid, given) by
> > announcement by its owner to another entity, subject to
> > modification by its backing document.
>
> Straightforward argument for FALSE:
> Payments without destination are error-trapped by this later clause in
> R2166:
> > If a rule, proposal, or other
> > competent authority attempts to increase or decrease the balance
> > of an entity without specifying a source or destination, then the
> > currency is created or destroyed as needed.
> so if "payment without destination" is a method in the rules for doing
> something, it happens via asset destruction only (not transfer).
>
~Corona
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Where's my farm though? I"paid" upkeep to the best of my ability.
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018, 10:52 Corona <liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I deputize for the Treasuror to post the following report. Please check
> > your actions and balances.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +-------------------------------+----+----+----+---+----+---
> -+----+----+----+----+
> >
> > |Entity
> > |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs|
> >
> >
> > +-------------------------------+----+----+----+---+----+---
> -+----+----+----+----+
> >
> > |ATMunn | 10| 35| 0| 0| 10| 0| 39| 10|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |Aris | 5| 25| 7| 0| 5| 0| 77| 5|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |Corona | 24| 40| 21| 17| 9| 18| 89| 16|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |CuddleBeam | 11| 13| 9| 4| 8| 9| 40| 8|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |G. | 20| 90| 11| 0| 20| 0| 140| 29|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |Gaelan | 14| 23| 2| 6| 2| 0| 37| 8|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |Kenyon | 14| 32| 4| 6| 20| 3| 35| 7|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |Murphy | 5| 25| 4| 0| 8| 0| 60| 9|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |Publius Scribonius Scholasticus| 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |Quazie | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |Telnaior | 5| 25| 3| 0| 5| 0| 55| 9|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |Trigon | 3| 20| 11| 2| 4| 12| 28| 6|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |VJ Rada | 10| 45| 1| 0| 10| 0| 55| 15|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |nichdel | 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 10| 2|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |o | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |omd | 0| 10| 0| 0| 0| 0| 20| 4|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |Ouri | 0| 5| 0| 0| 0| 0| 14| 2|
> > 0| 5|
> >
> > |pokes | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |天火狐 | 5| 25| 0| 0| 5| 0| 40| 9|
> 0|
> > 5|
> >
> >
> > +-------------------------------+----+----+----+---+----+---
> -+----+----+----+----+
> >
> > |farm at 1,-1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |mine at -1,-1 | 3| 0| 0| 2| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |mine at 1,1 | 3| 0| 0| 2| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |orchard at -1,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |(Corona’s) mine at 0,2 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |(Corona’s) refinery at 1,-2 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |(Corona’s) orchard at 2,1 | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |Finger Pointing Workaround | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 1| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> > |Agora | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 174| 0|
> > 0| 0|
> >
> >
> > +-------------------------------+----+----+----+---+----+---
> -+----+----+----+----+
> >
> >
> >
> > The following abbreviations are used in the table above:
> >
> > Ston = stone
> >
> > Appl = apples
> >
> > Lmbr = lumber
> >
> > Cotn = cotton
> >
> > Coin = coins
> >
> > Papr = papers
> >
> > Fabr = fabric
> >
> > Incs = incense
> >
> >
> >
> > Recent changes (most recent first, times in UTC, non-self-ratifying):
> >
> > [Thu May 3 16:32:22] Corona, via Quazie, looted (1,-1) (acquiring 18
> corn &
> > 18 cotton), destroying 1 apple
> >
> > [Thu May 3 13:10:20] ATMunn transferred 1 coin to “Finger Pointing
> > Workaround” for upkeep
> >
> > [Wed May 2 06:16:07] Aris destroyed a paper to pend “Crystals v2”
> >
> > [Tue May 1 06:22:41] If eir scam was successful (FALSE), Corona would
> have
> > destroyed some stuff
> >
> > [Tue May 1 00:11:29] G. caused o to transfer all eir (liquid) assets to
> > emself, pokes to transfer all eir assets to omd
> >
> > [Sun Apr 01 00:00] new month begins (payday). Trigon’s farm is, sadly,
> > destroyed due to em failing to pay upkeep
> >
> > [Mon Apr 30 21:50:05] Corona collected assets from eir facilities and
> paid
> > upkeep for them (totalling 6 coins, 2 stones and 2 lumber, and
> destroying 3
> > apples to move)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 30 06:45:43] Trigon looted (-1,1), using 1 corn to move
> >
> > [Mon Apr 30 00:25:19] ATMunn pended “no more zombies” with 1 paper
> >
> > [Mon Apr 30 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Sun Apr 29 23:18:37] Trigon may have performed the below actions here,
> > nobody CFJed it
> >
> > [Sun Apr 29 22:52:44] Trigon looted (0,-2) (acquiring 6 corn, 6 cotton)
> and
> > attempted to loot the empty (1,1) and “if, after performing the enclosed
> > actions, I would not have any upkeep costs to pay (FALSE): {I transfer 1
> > lumber and 1 stone to Aris in order to pay my upkeep costs}”. 1 corn & 1
> > apple were destroyed
> >
> > [Sun Apr 29 22:22:01] Corona attempted some more pointless asset to and
> fro
> > with Quazie, then eir contingency plan kicked in, looting (1,1), moving
> to
> > (2,1), building an orchard there & upgrading all eir facilities to rank
> 2.
> > E also, via Quazie, put 5 ore in the refinery at (1,-2). Total assets
> > destroyed: 11 coins, 5 lumber, 5 apples and 9 stones
> >
> > [Fri Apr 27 23:52:26] A batch of proposals is resolved; VJ Rada gets back
> > most of his assets (1 coin being given to each FOR voter and 1 coin and 1
> > paper to the pender); incense is created and each non-zombie player
> > receives 5 of it
> >
> > [Thu Apr 26 05:24:18] (Assuming G.’s judgement about the scam not working
> > is valid here and elsewhere) Corona moved to (0,2), built a mine there,
> > moved Quazie to (1,-2), built a refinery there and attempted a bunch of
> > transfers. Total assets destroyed: 5 apples, 9 lumber and 8 stones
> >
> > [Wed Apr 25 05:30:12] Aris paid 1 paper to pend Agorans are Vulcans
> >
> > [Tue Apr 24 11:54:45] G. transferred 2 coins to ATMunn
> >
> > [Tue Apr 24 00:34:39] ATMunn transferred a coin to Agora to create the
> > contract “Finger Pointing Workaround”
> >
> > [Mon Apr 23 14:50:13] G. paid a paper to pend the proposal Officer
> patching
> >
> > [Mon Apr 23 04:48:31] Corona looted (-1,1) and, via Quazie, (-1,-1)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 23 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Sat Apr 21 05:26:47] Trigon pended “Q*Bert the Second” with 1 paper
> >
> > [Wed Apr 18 04:49:37] Aris transferred 12 coins to Agora for the land
> unit
> > at (1,2)
> >
> > [Wed Apr 18 04:07:50] Corona attempted to pay 1 coin to Agora via Quazie
> > for the land unit at (2,2), failed
> >
> > [Wed Apr 18 04:04:33] Corona paid 1 coin to Agora [for the land unit at
> > (2,1)]
> >
> > [Wed Apr 18 00:56:43] G. paid 8 coins to Agora for the land unit at (2,0)
> >
> > [Tue Apr 17 22:21:12] ATMunn transferred 10 coins to Agora for the land
> > unit at (1, 3)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 16 05:54:54] Trigon looted (0,-2)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 16 05:25:20] Corona looted (-1,1) and, via Quazie, (-1,-1)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 16 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Sun Apr 15 20:57:07] Trigon pended “5 auctions” with 1 paper
> >
> > [Sat Apr 14 04:05:48] Aris pended “Consolidated Patch” and “Blot
> Expansion
> > v3 with 1 paper each
> >
> > [Sat Apr 14 03:55:02] Aris pended “V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy v2” with 1
> > paper
> >
> > [Fri Apr 13 13:22:58] Corona pended “V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy” with 1
> > paper. It’s not very effective...
> >
> > [Fri Apr 13 08:06:17] Trigon transferred 1 paper to Aris
> >
> > [Thu Apr 12 12:54:39] ATMunn pended "Medals of Honour Correction Act"
> with
> > 1 paper
> >
> > [Thu Apr 12 05:57:39] Aris pended “Impeachment” with 1 paper
> >
> > [Wed Apr 11 13:33:41] ATMunn attempted to loot some empty facilities,
> > destroying 3 apples
> >
> > [Wed Apr 11 13:27:58] ATMunn looted nichdel’s corpse, and failed to move
> >
> > [Wed Apr 11 10:04:34] VJ Rada scammed emself with the contract “Hi”,
> > transferring all eir assets to it (and paying 1 coin to Agora to create
> it)
> >
> > [Wed Apr 11 08:37:50] Corona doubleposted the previous conditional action
> > (nothing happened) and if the orchard (-1,1) was nonempty (TRUE), Corona
> > looted it, destroying 2 apples
> >
> > [Wed Apr 11 07:39:24] If mine at (-1,-1) was nonempty (TRUE), Corona
> looted
> > it via Quazie, transferring & destroying 3 apples
> >
> > [Wed Apr 11 07:16:45] Trigon moved around, looted (from (1,1)) & built,
> > destroying 2 apples, 1 corn, 5 stones, 4 lumber and 3 coins
> >
> > Tue Apr 10 13:28:06] ATMunn paid 10 coins to Agora for zombie nichdel
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 13:23:36] Gaelan transferred 13 coins to Agora for the land
> > unit (-1,-2)
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 06:43:05] Corona looted Quazie’s body and paid 31 coins to
> > Agora for 2 land units
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 06:29:13] Trigon paid 15 coins to Agora for the land unit
> > (0,-2)
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 05:34:04] Kenyon paid 13 coins to Agora for the land unit
> > (-1,2)
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 05:23:17] Corona paid 5 coins to Agora for zombie Quazie
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 04:31:55] VJ Rada looted PSS’s body
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 01:53:08] G. spent 1 paper to pend “Nothing to worry about”
> >
> > [Tue Apr 10 01:12:02] VJ Rada transferred 12 coins to Agora for zombie
> PSS
> >
> > [Mon Apr 9 17:58:39] G. looted pokes’ and o’s bodies
> >
> > [Mon Apr 9 17:55:58] G. paid 21 coins to Agora on behalf of omd for
> zombie
> > pokes, G. paid 21 coins to Agora for zombie o
> >
> > [Mon Apr 9 17:26:41] G. transferred 25 coins to omd
> >
> > [Mon Apr 09 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Sun Apr 8 19:11:06] Kenyon pended “Paydays Fix” with 1 paper
> >
> > [Sun Apr 8 13:25:58] ATMunn gave Kenyon 2 coins for reports
> >
> > [Sat Apr 7 19:30:53] Trigon moved around and created land units, using 15
> > apples
> >
> > [Thu Apr 5 00:52:50] Kenyon pended “Gray Land and the Fountain” with 1
> > paper
> >
> > [Tue Apr 3 13:15:34] ATMunn destroyed an apple to move to (-1,0) and
> > destroyed an apple to move to (-1,1) and transferred all assets (none)
> from
> > (-1,1) to emself
> >
> > [Tue Apr 3 04:59:23] Gaelan destroyed 2 apples to move to (-1,-1) and
> > grabbed everything there (9 stones, 6 ore)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 2 16:52:14] Corona took all contents (6 stones, 4 ore) of the
> mine
> > at (1, 1)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 2 16:24:01] Kenyon took all contents (6 apples, 6 lumber) of the
> > orchard at (-1,1)
> >
> > [Mon Apr 2 06:37:25] G. acted on behalf of omd to transfer all eir
> > currencies to emself
> >
> >
> >
> > [Last report]
> >
> > [Mon Apr 02 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Sun Apr 01 22:46] Gaelan destroyed 1 paper to pend Cross-Polination
> >
> > [Sun Apr 01 00:00] new month begins (payday)
> >
> > [Mon Mar 26 14:21] ATMunn destroyed 1 paper to pend Free Tournaments
> >
> > [Mon Mar 26 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Fri Mar 23 20:52] Reportor repealed by Proposal 8027
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 22:56] Corona transferred all currencies (3 stones, 2 ore)
> from
> > 1,1 to Corona
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 15:50] Murphy resolved the Rulekeepor election, no candidates
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 15:50] Murphy resolved the Referee election, electing Cuddle
> > Beam
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 15:50] Murphy resolved the Prime Minister election, electing
> G.
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 15:50] Murphy resolved the Notary election, electing VJ Rada
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 15:37] CuddleBeam transferred all currencies (6 corn, 6
> cotton)
> > from 1,-1 to CuddleBeam
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 14:24] G. destroyed 1 paper to pend Blots v1.0
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 01:17] if -1,1 has any assets (true), Kenyon transferred all
> > currencies (6 apples, 6 lumber) from -1,1 to Kenyon
> >
> > [Mon Mar 19 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Sun Mar 18 13:18] Aris transferred all currencies (nothing) from -1,-1
> to
> > Aris
> >
> > [Fri Mar 16 22:05] if PAoaM Patch isn't pending (false), Kenyon
> destroyed 1
> > paper to pend PAoaM Patch
> >
> > [Fri Mar 16 18:06] ATMunn destroyed 1 paper to pend PAoaM Patch
> >
> > [Mon Mar 12 16:28] if there exists a mine at 1,1 and 1,1 has any assets
> > (true), Corona transferred all currencies (3 stones, 2 ore) from 1,1 to
> > Corona
> >
> > [Mon Mar 12 16:28] if there exists a mine at 1,1 and 1,1 has any assets
> > (true), Corona destroyed 2 apples
> >
> > [Mon Mar 12 01:28] if -1,-1 has any assets (false), Aris transferred all
> > currencies (nothing) from -1,-1 to Aris
> >
> > [Mon Mar 12 01:28] if -1,-1 has any assets (false), Aris destroyed 2
> apples
> >
> > [Mon Mar 12 01:12] Kenyon transferred all currencies (3 stones, 2 ore)
> from
> > -1,-1 to Kenyon
> >
> > [Mon Mar 12 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Sun Mar 11 15:58] ATMunn gave welcome packages to ATMunn
> >
> > [Sun Mar 11 15:58] ATMunn registered
> >
> > [Wed Mar 07 07:48] Gaelan transferred 3 lumber from Gaelan to Murphy
> >
> > [Mon Mar 05 01:55] Kenyon transferred all (3) apples, all (3) lumber from
> > -1,1 to Kenyon
> >
> > [Mon Mar 05 01:55] Kenyon transferred all (3) corn, all (3) cotton from
> > 1,-1 to Kenyon
> >
> > [Mon Mar 05 01:55] Kenyon transferred all (3) stones, all (2) ore from
> 1,1
> > to Kenyon
> >
> > [Mon Mar 05 01:55] Kenyon transferred all (3) stones, all (2) ore from
> > -1,-1 to Kenyon
> >
> > [Mon Mar 05 01:55] Kenyon destroyed 8 apples to move around and be that
> one
> > guy
> >
> > [Mon Mar 05 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 15:56] Murphy resolved the Reportor election, electing VJ
> Rada
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 12:14] Corona destroyed 1 paper to pend
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 07:43] Cuddle Beam deputised for Referee and published the
> > Referee's weekly report
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 03:14] CuddleBeam transferred all (0) apples, all (0) lumber
> > from -1,1 to CuddleBeam
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 03:14] CuddleBeam transferred all (0) stones, all (0) ore
> from
> > 1,1 to CuddleBeam
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 03:14] CuddleBeam transferred all (0) corn, all (0) cotton
> from
> > 1,-1 to CuddleBeam
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 03:14] CuddleBeam transferred all (0) stones, all (0) ore
> from
> > -1,-1 to CuddleBeam
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 03:14] CuddleBeam destroyed 7 apples to move around to grab
> all
> > the nonexistent new items
> >
> > [Thu Mar 01 00:00] new month begins (payday)
> >
> > ~Corona
> >
>
