If a rule with higher power defers to a rule of lower power, and the
deference is allowed to work, then the lower powered rule could be
modified (using an instrument of a lower power) to do something else,
thus modifying the operation of the higher-powered rule with a lower-
powered change.
This breaks the idea of Rule 2140, which says that:
No entity with power below the power of this rule can [...]
set or modify any other substantive aspect of an instrument
with power greater than its own. A "substantive" aspect of
an instrument is any aspect that affects the instrument's
operation.
So it's perfectly in keeping with this intent to forbid rules from
deferring to lower powers, with that prohibition at the highest
possible level.
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> G., can you explain why it's that way?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Aris Merchant
> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why would anyone intend that? It doesn't make any sense.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:38 PM, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Reading it's text, if a rule of higher power defers
> >> to a rule of lower power, the rule of higher power is followed anyway."
> >> Pretty sure that's intentional.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Aris Merchant
> >> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I know that this is one of the scariest, if not the scariest, game
> >>> mechanics to fiddle with. That being said, Rule 1030 is pretty
> >>> obviously broken. Reading it's text, if a rule of higher power defers
> >>> to a rule of lower power, the rule of higher power is followed anyway.
> >>> This fixes that and a few other problems by changing the order. I also
> >>> numbered the items and added a loop resolution clause.
> >>>
> >>> -Aris
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Title: Rule Precedence Changes
> >>> Adoption index: 3.0
> >>> Author: Aris
> >>> Co-author(s):
> >>>
> >>> Amend Rule 1030 by changing it to read in full:
> >>>
> >>> In a conflict between Rules, the conflict shall be resolved by
> >>> performing the following comparisons in the sequence written in
> >>> this rule, until the conflict is resolved. If applying the comparison
> >>> leads to an infinite loop, then the next comparison is used.
> >>>
> >>> 1. If all of the Rules in conflict explicitly say that their
> >>> precedence relations are determined by some other Rule for
> >>> determining precedence relations, then the determinations of
> >>> the precedence-determining Rule shall be used to resolve the
> >>> conflicts; otherwise,
> >>>
> >>> 2. If at least one of the Rules in conflict explicitly says of
> >>> itself that it defers to another Rule (or type of Rule) than those
> >>> provisions shall be used to resolve the conflict unless they lead to
> >>> contradictions between each other; otherwise,
> >>>
> >>> 3. In a conflict between Rules with different Power, the Rule
> >>> with the higher Power takes precedence over the Rule with the
> >>> lower Power; otherwise,
> >>>
> >>> 4. If at least one of the Rules in conflict explicitly says of
> >>> itself that it takes precedence over another Rule (or type of Rule),
> >>> then
> >>> such provisions shall be used to resolve the conflict, unless
> >>> they lead to contradictions between each other; otherwise,
> >>>
> >>> 5. If any of the rules in conflict have ID numbers, then the Rule
> >>> with the lowest ID number takes precedence; otherwise,
> >>>
> >>> 6. The Rule enacted earliest takes precedence.
> >>>
> >>> Clauses in any other rule that broadly claim precedence (e.g.
> >>> over "all rules" of a certain class) shall be, prima facie,
> >>> considered to be limited claims of precedence or deference that
> >>> are applicable only when such claims are evaluated as described
> >>> within the above sequence.
> >>>
> >>> No change to the Ruleset can occur that would cause a Rule to
> >>> directly claim precedence over this Rule as a means of
> >>> determining precedence. This applies to changes by the
> >>> enactment or amendment of a Rule, or of any other form. This
> >>> Rule takes precedence over any Rule that would permit such a
> >>> change to the Ruleset.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> From V.J Rada
>
