On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 11:14 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Question:
> > 
> > Do we have a reasonably-established shorthand for Agency actions?
> > Technically, I'm acting on behalf of Quazie here.  Do I have to say
> > that each time?
> 
> Our old shorthand was "The AFO votes FOR on proposal 5707", etc., but
> I'm far from certain that would work under modern rules

I think that depended on the AFO et al. being persons/players in their
own right, rather than the AFO being a vehicle between two persons.

The CFJ I happened to read (again, can't find!) was for act-on-behalf
powers of attorney that predated contracts.  People posted different
ways:  "On behalf of Quazie, I do X" versus "I cause Quazie to do X"
and the CFJ basically said "this is semantically tricky but all of
these are reasonably clear enough to work."

> Perhaps we could encode that into the rules; you perform an action
> by announcement by stating that you perform it, so you perform an
> action-on-behalf by announcement by stating that someone else performs
> it.

Well, part of what I was hoping was that we could insert of the Agency
in place of the act-on-behalf language.  Since Agencies are the vehicle,
and R2467 makes a point of saying  you should refer to agencies via their
acronym, I was wondering if we could make "I invoke the XXX Agency to do
X" a legislated synonym for "I, as an Agent, cause the Head to do X as 
per the powers of the XXX Agency".  (the disadvantage is that this
requires recordkeepors to look up the Head to see who's actually recorded
as doing the thing).

> Actions which aren't by announcement, although rare, would need some
> other wording. The main not-by-announcement action is publishing a
> report. I'm not convinced "G. publishes the following report:" (an
> attempt to make it into an action by announcement) works; as far as I
> can tell, if I wrote that, I'd be publishing the report and simply
> lying about who the publisher was.

Didn't we have a version where, literally, the *only* thing we could
do on behalf of each other was send messages (which might then
*happen* to have a legal effect)?


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