I always obliviously rolled my eyes at it all. Michael, Founding Member of the Incognoscenti
On 26/06/13 10:07, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 15:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote: >>>> I have heard of the UNDEAD a few times before, but may I ask what it is? >>> >>> You can certainly ask, but if the above action was at all successful, I dare >>> not say. >> >> Well, given that I have no particular UNDEAD ties, > > It also included a clause that members should regularly deny any UNDEAD > ties. Or so it is rumored. > >> Basically, a long time back (before the era when contracts dominated >> gameplay, but when contract-like constructs nonetheless existed), a >> group of Agorans decided to make an agreement/construct/similar binding >> structure with, apparently the purpose of hiding its own details. > > Rumor is that it was a full Nomic, that claimed to be an independent > agreement from Agora (like Lindrum's aforementioned trading exchange). > > It's possible that, at its inception, it was designed as a full-scale > Nomic with win conditions, so that leaders/winners of the UNDEAD nomic > could compel other members' votes in other nomics, so winning the UNDEAD > nomic would lead to a strong position in multiple other nomics. > It's rumored that, from this independent agreement, UNDEAD members then > sought power in Agora by forming official Agoran "contract-like" > constructs (called Groups, simular to current Parties). This is somewhat > different, legally, than if the UNDEAD had started out as a Group. > > It's also rumored that while a bit of this gameplay lasted for a while, > it served equally well as just a hatching ground for some nice schemes > (whether or not the official UNDEAD mechanisms were used to compel > members' participation in these schemes, scams were hatched). > > The fact that it was known to exist, but secretive, generated a surprising > amount of paranoia in some non-member Agorans. There were a couple genuine > witch hunts looking for members, for a short time Agora was genuinely like > a game of werewolf. Rumor has it that members earned doubloons by gently > provoking paranoia and making posts of actions into the Agoran PF (some > fake, but some were real). A genuine highlight was non-members genuinely > offering to "shelter" members who wanted to break away without facing > UNDEAD wrath. It is rumored that at one point close to 50% of active Agora > were members, at least half never "revealed". The player now known as > G. was an early reveal, so was able to be more overtly active in public > interactions. Rumor also has it that a combination of fake and real > information is the UNDEAD modus operandi, up to and including this message. > > The last "fully admitted" project that was definitely traced to the UNDEAD > was the Town Fountain. > >> Apart from ehird, Agora mostly just left the UNDEAD alone. > > It was the other way around. So it is rumored. > >> Eventually, it almost certainly disappeared as an Agoran legal construct >> with the repeal of contracts. > > It is rumored that the real state of this subnomic was maintained for some > years past the repeal of Groups and the Fountain. It was certainly never > formally dissolved. As an independent contract, it's certainly arguable > whether it would (today) meet Zephram's definition of natural contract/ > partnership, and if so whether Agora could have any say over it. It is > rumored that at least a few members have recently (within the last couple > months, including people not around at the time of the Fountain) asserted > in the right places that they are generally abiding by it. > >> (Whether the other members of the UNDEAD would attempt to punish >> them for doing so would, of course, be another matter.) > > You might think so. I couldn't possibly comment. > > >
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