On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT), Kerim Aydin
<ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> This violates R101(vii).  The only way I can think to get around it (it
has
> come up before for other non-natural players) is to re-define R101 so
that
> rights apply to "natural persons" only.  This is probably a good idea
> anyway
> in a separate proposal, and a good time to do it while we have no
> non-natural
> players.

Right, thanks for the proposal ;) But if I remember correctly, the Robot
has a similar clause...
 
> This recharging 5 times when empty should be required to be announced by
> the
> physicist.

Admitted, but then the physicist should not be the PM.

> If the PM holds this office, no real person would be required to
assemble
> the
> report, so it wouldn't get done (and the PM would just get rests?)

Well, maybe the II of that office could be 2, so that a report can be made
by announcement (for a charge of one erg) and the "reporter" earns two
additional ergs next week, at least it was intended to be like this. But I
agree: The office should be held by a natural person.

> Seems pretty harsh penalty for attempting a failed action.
 
> Again, seems fairly harsh.

Yes, maybe I should rewrite that section.

> This is a loophole.  If an energy spender can make any announcement on
> behalf of the PM for a charge of one erg, then the PM can just announce
> (for that one erg fee) that e does anything that a player can do by
> announcement and it would work, thus avoiding any other fee.

Oh right, I forgot to include a restriction like "if the announcement does
not force the PM to pay any fee".
 
> This makes voting via PM far more expensive than just buying voting
power
> directly for the proposal in question.  Why would this be worthwhile?

Oh, right, it  should be cheaper. Maybe the voting limit should be
increased by twice the PM's voting power? 
 
> This isn't so much like the AFO as like the ancient Zombies, which were
> pretty cool and we've talked about reviving (revivification?) from time
> to time.

Nice, I'll try to find some information about the Zombies then, never
heard of them.
 
> Actually, I think the steampunk imagry/names go along with current
times,
> and is pretty good.  

Well, fine :)

> I think you need a round of tinkering with actual
> fee levels; overall it looks too expensive for anyone to actually make
> use of the PM at the moment.

The list of bot-PM actions should be extended, yes, but performing any
fee-based action for the charge of one erg is cheaper, eg. the distribution
of a II=2 proposal or destroying ergs. (Destroying ergs could become
important, if players don't want other players to have the ability to
control the PM.) Right, it costs at least one erg per week to control the
PM, so it's not that useful for a one-time purpose.

--
Keba

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