On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 02:18 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: > I, coppro, intend this to be a public message under Agoran law. > > All Agoran players, please read http://paste.debian.net/66733/ > (hereafter referred to as The Paste). > > I CFJ { The Paste is a public message. } > I CFJ { The Paste would, if every Agoran player were to read it, be a > public message. } > I CFJ { I can retract a proposal entitled Don't Have to Send to Yourself. } > > I set the II of all these CFJs to 2. > > Arguments: > > According to Rule 478, > A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent > to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to > be public. A person "publishes" or "announces" something by > sending a public message. > > In this message (itself public), I directed every Agoran to read The > Paste, even though I did not directly transmit The Paste to em. Is this > sifficient for it to be considered sent to every player and therefore > public? Alternatively, if the pastie.org server transmits the message to > every Agoran, does that cause it to be considered sent to everyone, and > thus make it public? I believe it is the case that until the message is > sent to everyone - that is, they visit the site - the message cannot be > public. Therefore I believe the first two CFJs to be FALSE and TRUE, > respectively. > > As for the third CFJ, I believe it is UNDECIDABLE. If the first two CFJs > are as I believe them to be, then the message could either be public or > not, so a judgment of TRUE would be inappropriate, and a judgment of > FALSE would become inappropriate if, at a future time, every player were > to have read it. This would apply retroactively, since Rule 478 says > that "Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the time > date-stamped on that message." I believe UNDETERMINED to be > inappropriate because, since, if the message were to retroactively > become public, the information would, from a legal consideration, have > been available at the judgment time. Since neither MALFORMED nor > IRRELEVANT are appropriate either (for obvious reasons), UNDECIDABLE is > the only remaining judgment. > > I retract any proposal I may have authored entitled Don't Have to Send > to Yourself. > > Proposal: Don't Have to Send to Yourself (AI=3, II=0) > {{{ > Amend Rule 478 (Fora) by replacing > A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent > to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to > be public. A person "publishes" or "announces" something by > sending a public message. > with > A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent > to all players (except possibly the message's author) and > containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A > person "publishes" or "announces" something by sending a > public message. > }}} > > I make this proposal Distributable. > > -coppro
Quoting the whole message so there's a record for the lists. In reply to the third CFJ, I believe it is indeed UNDETERMINED. The uncertainty, at this time, is as to whether everyone will eventually read the paste in question and thus make it retroactively public; that's an insufficiency of information at the time that the CFJ is called. (Arguably, all other CFJs should be UNDETERMINED for the same reason, that their truth value may be retroactively changed; perhaps it's easier to judge the current value, and appeal if the truth value is retroactively changed in the future.) -- ais523
