On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Whups, I was too late!  This nullifies Zefram's arguments in 2087,
> dunno what to do with that now.  -Goethe

Zefram: "For the record, I am dubious about this interpretation of a statement
being made, and action being taken, at a particular instant.  Making the
statement is a process which takes non-zero time, and the statement's
truth is evaluated (and any actions take effect) in the context of that
process."

Maybe I'm misreading this, but it seems to me that the context of the
process of making a statement contained in a message is the
publication of that entire message.  While the ordering of actions
announced in a message can be significant, we should in general take
the published message as a whole to take effect at the moment it was
published, and non-action disclaimers should be applied to what they
claim to apply to, regardless of where in the message they occur.  I'd
argue for a ruling of TRUE in 2086/2087 based on Zefram's arguments,
and clearly you think the same arguments point to FALSE. My belief is
that each statement in the message initiating CFJs 2086 and 2087 must
be evaluated at the moment of the publication of that message.  While
I'm not sure a phrase like "simultaneous but ordered" makes sense,
it's one I might use in this situation.

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