On 4/6/26 18:08:27, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-official wrote:
LiterallyAmbiguous wrote:
I CFJ on the following statement: Janet successfully objected to a
game action in the above-quoted message.
This is CFJ 4131. I assign it to Cosmo.
Original CFJ and caller's arguments:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2025-November/054890.html
Gratuitous arguments from Janet:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2025-November/054891.html
Gratuitous arguments from ais523:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2025-November/054894.html
~qenya
I judge CFJ 4131 FALSE.
In the case that the objection does apply to the action in the subject line:
R2124 specifies objecting as something a player can do to a tabled
intent. As pushing the boulder does not qualify as a tabled action per
R1728, no tabled intent is created in grok's message and the objection
fails.
In the case that it does not:
Since grok's message contains no game actions, no tabled intent is
created and the objection fails.
As such, it doesn't matter if Janet objected to pushing the boulder or a
message with no game actions, it fails either way.
Evidence:
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Rule 1728/46 (Power=3)
Tabled Actions
An action is a Tabled Action if the Rules purport to authorize its
performance via one of the following methods:
* With N Support, where N is a positive integer.
* Without N Objections, where N is a positive integer.
* With N Agoran Consent, where N is a positive integer multiple of
0.1.
* With T notice, where T is a time period.
The parameters N and T, if omitted, default to 1 and 4 days,
respectively (e.g. "without objection" means N=1). If a rule
defines N as less than 1, it is instead treated as 1.
A person, acting as emself, CAN by announcement table an intent
(syn. "intend") to perform a tabled action, clearly,
conspicuously, explicitly, and without obfuscation specifying the
action, the method (including non-default parameter values), and,
optionally, conditions.
A person is the sponsor of such an intent if e tabled it, or if e
is authorized to perform its action due to holding a rule-defined
position previously held by the person who tabled it.
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Rule 2124/32 (Power=3)
Performing Tabled Actions
For a given tabled intent, a player CAN, unless otherwise
forbidden by the rules or the document enabling the action, act on
eir own behalf, by announcement, to:
* Become a supporter ("support" it), unless e tabled or previously
supported it;
* Become an objector ("object to" it), unless e previously
objected to it;
A supporter/objector to an intent, acting as emself, CAN by
announcement cease to be a supporter/objector ("withdraw"
support/objection) of that intent.
Limiting the ability to support or object to an intent is secured
at the power of the rule enabling that action to be performed.
An intent is ripe if was tabled within the past 14 days, the
Speaker hasn't objected to it in the past 48 hours, and its
conditions, if any, are each clearly and unambiguously met.
An intent is mature if it was tabled at least 4 days ago and
nobody withdrew objections from it in the past 24 hours.
A rule purporting to allow a person to perform a tabled action
allows em to do so by announcement, if, considering only intents
for that action/method combination:
* With N Support: e is a sponsor or supporter of a ripe intent with
at least N supporters.
* Without N Objections: e is a sponsor of a mature ripe intent with
less than N objectors.
* With N Agoran Consent: e is a sponsor or supporter of a mature
ripe intent with supporters greater than N times its objectors
(e SHOULD list supporters and objectors).
* With T notice: e is the sponsor of a ripe intent created at
least T ago.
--
Cosmo
Promotor, Illuminator
