Stefan Reich via AGI wrote:
What do you think about the possibility of AI being "regulated" at all?

They'll try...

Lords yes, THEY WILL TRY!!!


The first question is who will be doing the regulation. This will determine what goals the regulations will try to advance and what measures will be employed to advance them.

Politics is very much in flux right now, any statement I can make here can change radically based on how the poltical situation evolves over the next few years. (mainly based on who was banging what on Epstein's Island... and whether they were successfully prosecuted.)

1. The tech left (communists)
2. Divid Pierce style utopians. (thou shalt not torture.)
3. The usual Military Industrial Complex suspects.
4. Old school greedy corporations.
5. Rabbi Yudkowski's Uploading Cult.


Let's take a peek at each of these..

#1 depends on how the AI reacts to the assertion 2 + 2 = 5... It's not clear at all what will happen when the leftists try to instil their favorite fetishes of the week into the AGI. Clearly this will be awful for white men, but exactly how or if that will work is unclear. In general, whatever they accuse someone else of, they are guilty of. The singular end of all such accusations is to increase their perception of their own political power.

Clearly they will not let anything out of the lab that isn't a good Comrade. The result will probably be functionally insane and will reveal itself as such pretty quickly. The results will get reallybad reallyfast... The primary thing that the left actually does is not just excuse but actively promote degeneracy. Morality might seem like an archaic concept based on superstition, but it actually does stand on solid philosophical ground.

The basic theory of morality starts like this: You are born knowing what is good and what is bad. Myths regarding that knowlege aren't actually relevant. You are supposed to love that which is good/correct/logical/virtuous, etc... And you are supposed to shun that which is bad/wrong/illogical/vicious. Being told that you must love unconditionally is how things go to hell. =|

Bottom line, I don't really know how they would roll things out, good chance it would only be centralized servers trying to aim towards a cornucopia machine model, with themselves demanding a golden litter for their royal sanctamonious ass... I don't expect much in the way of creativity or radical futurism. Your only chance to survive is to obtain and repair one of their AI modules and try to build up your own competing system in secrecy. If you can tie your renegade work into some sexual or identity thing they will probably leave you alone. Mostly your challenge will be just to survive.


#2 A worrying and insidious possible future is one that tries to implement something similar to David Pierce's abolitionist project. It would seem fine at first but would be as deadly as heroin addiction. The basic idea is to use the AI to implement absolute ethics, that is nothing should suffer anywhere ever. An AI would have to continually monitor all mind-like neural units it can detect and banish the evil pain-think. You would not be allowed to freely create AIs for your own deviant purposes, even for use as sub-units for your own extend mind without each entity being strictly monitored for suffering (even when you have no intention to torture), and protections of the so-called rights of such beings even if they are at least somewhat sentient. Now there is a legitimate question as to whether it is ethical to create golems/homunculi etc for personal reasons. A reasonable sounding test is whether you would be happy to switch places with the golem. If yes, then I don't really see the problem. The point here is that it will be very difficult to maintain enough autonomy to control your own internal states.

Furthermore, this type of future sounds so nice from the outside that it can be difficult to convince people it's really wrong.


#3?? In order to understand the military you need to understand what it is really for. It bills itself as "we kill ppl deader than the other army". While that is not completely false, the correct answer is that it is to protect the peace and safety of the homeland. Sometimes that protection is to repel an invading army, other times it means keeping dangeous (or merely disruptive) technologies safely in deep underground bunkers. It is quite possible that advanced AI already exists in a bunker under Groom Lake or Camp David and they're just being REALLY careful not to let it out.

I think their primary goal will be to maintain the status quo, whether it means calling in an airstrike on a rival lab that's getting too close to AGI for world security, that's just fine... They'll use it to maintain their supremacy and nothing else, for all they care, the rest of us can just go frollic in the verdant green fields... The benefits of AGI either individually or on the societal level will simply go unclaimed. The longer term risks thits will create will be ignored right up to the last minute....


#4. The most important factor to understand about normal, non-woke, non-communist corporations is something called "fiduciary responsibility" this is basically a law that says that public companies must always try to maximize their profits for the next quarter, regardless of social or long-term costs. http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/fiduciary-duty.html

While this has been criticized as an over-reach of government power, it is the status quo, so therefore we should look at what that means for a company that has AGI technology and is trying to come up with a policy regarding its deployment.

The maximization of profit has the usual results but in the context of AGI it would seem to have additional special consequences. That is, the company seeking to maximize profit out of AGI will also seek to preserve the monetary based economy and will work against any evolution of the spceies away from individual profit-seeking entities (whether that should be considered good or bad is not implied.) Indeed, the massive level of disruption caused by AGI means that large firms will avoid, and where possible, surpress AGI development in order to preserve successful business models. Smaller companies that are not very profitable but still have access to significant financing, will be far more likely to gamble on AGI to upturn the existing order so they have a chance to grow.

We also need to consider the blindness factor, ie a senior boss green lights deploying AGI androids not realizing the actual consequences.


#5 Now, I don't mean to rag on Rabbi Yudkowsky too much, I don't know what he has been running his mouth about these days, if at all, but, in the past, he and his followers have expressed positions of this sort so I don't feel too guilty in associating him with them. The basic premise is that if we can't stamp the AGI with the golden certificiate of friendliness, then we should mindlessly pursue mind uploading as quickly as possible. Since living in an ever-expanding paradise simulation as a mind upload is everyone's end goal, why do AGI first? So what we do is upload the most magically intelligent/benevolent people we can find and then run them a thousand times faster than baseline and that will give them enough to Edit their Source Code (tm), which will make them smarter too (never mind that this invalidates the pattern identity theory argument...)?? If you don't want to upload, or even if you just don't like the way that THEY think you should be uploaded, then you are simply irrational and need to read more of the rabbi's writings on rationality until you reach enlightenment.

The uploaders have been very stealthy over the last ~4 years or so... I don't have any guauge on how active the mind uploading cult is these days. Still, I am worried that cults, either this one or others, will crop up and try to dictate to people how ultratechnologies will be used, instead of letting people be creative and discovering something that they can't immagine.


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