Hi Jim,
I love the mental image of the birds hauling a bike into the air. Orville
without a helmet. Definitely retention of flight physics!
:-)
Colin


On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 11:38 PM Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote:

> I just wanted to say that it seems likely that the Wright brothers (or at
> least Orville) believed that they could make a pedal powered flying
> bicycle. (I do not mean to be hyper-critical) but it seems very unlikely
> that the Wrights thought they could somehow harness birds to get their
> bicycle to fly. The thought probably did occur to them but the goal was
> (almost certainly) tied to using technology that was available to them: a
> machine that could be pedaled to a speed faster than a person could run and
> which could be pedaled to travel longer distances than a person could run.
> Of course, flying is not the same as bicycling along a smooth road, and a
> rough road at the start of the 20th century would not be an efficient
> surface to bike on. The Wright model of technological achievement is not
> the only model available to us, but it does represent how we need to work
> with technology that is available and accessible. The Wrights developed a
> wind tunnel and they discovered that the optimal angle of attack of a wing
> - or a propeller Orville realized - varied with the speed of the travel,
> and Orville discovered this by welding a test contraption on the top of the
> handlebars of a bicycle. I am not arguing about the merits of studying
> other ways to create AGI, I am only pointing out that our approach is sound
> - except that most of us are not actually conducting experiments.
> Jim Bromer
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:51 AM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> korrelan
>>
>> In a generic system of regenerative competency, my theory holds how a
>> 'Toolkit' component contributes significantly to the notion of 'Reality'.
>> Perhaps then, your 'GTP' correlates to my component named 'Relativity',
>> where such a component provides the existential argument for the existence
>> of 'Reality' in any, particular context.
>>
>> Could it be that dementia was nothing more than the train of reality
>> going so fast it ended up looking at it's own rear-end reality without
>> recognizing it as such? Would any person be able to cognitively declare the
>> back of his/her own head as belonging to self? Is this where the spacetime
>> continuum possible bends and reality as we know it ends?
>>
>> Perhaps if dementia were considered purely systemically instead of purely
>> in the light of existing knowledge (with reference to your sound
>> literature-reviewed approach) about its complex symptomatic constraints?
>>
>> I'm of the one conviction that one cannot find answers in answers that
>> did not contain the knowledge to begin with. What knowledge about dementia
>> was reverse engineered from the BOK?
>>
>> You've obviously built a corresponding 'Toolkit', and many more
>> components of such a system of systems. I think your points on
>> experimentation are insightful and most valid. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Robert Benjamin
>>
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>> *From:* korrelan <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 04 July 2019 11:21
>> *To:* AGI
>> *Subject:* Re: [agi] ARGH!!!
>>
>>
>> Unless you have the spare cash, time and resources then the whole
>> argument is moot, and you must find another way of achieving the goals
>> within your means.  You can negate most of the above by taking a leaf out
>> the Wright brothers methodology… take a leap of faith (in yourself) and
>> just build the damn thing, make it work… prove it works.
>>
>> Every now and again I like to take a break from teaching/ designing my
>> AGI’s and consider human frailties, and check if my design can simulate the
>> symptoms, and/ or give any insights into the prognosis/ diagnosis or cure.
>>
>> I have a list, roughly ordered by complexity and today it’s the turn of
>> terminal or paradoxical lucidity (PL).  Paradoxical Lucidity is one of
>> natures cruellest tricks, approx 75% of patients with long term dementia
>> will fully/ partially become conscious/ lucid shortly before they die.  It’s
>> a very complex diagnosis that ties into many other conditions and I’m
>> greatly over simplifying the topic for the purpose of explanation.
>>
>>
>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1552526019300950
>>
>> Considering the phenomena in its simplest terms obviously begs the
>> question of how this can happen/ function. It seems intuitive that for
>> normal (ish) function to return the symptoms of dementia cannot be caused
>> by permanent damage/ change, or that something like a build up of amyloid
>> plaque is ultimately responsible, but something is impeding consciousness,
>> so what could it be.
>>
>> Keep in mind I have already done this for a myriad of conditions and
>> phenomena, so I have insight into how my model behaves/ functions.  I’ve
>> replicated optical/ audio illusions, pareidolia, schizophrenia,
>> hallucinations, hypnotism, meditation (states of mind), epilepsy,
>> anaesthesia, NDE, and many more, all with in the same model.
>>
>> Firstly I read as much empirical information about the subject as
>> possible. Then formulate a theory of how those symptoms could arise and
>> manifest within my model. I then alter the models balances and test, repeat
>> until I get the desired results, making notes all the way.
>>
>> Within my model memory consolidation and consciousness are extremely
>> sensitive to the base frequencies of the Global Thought Pattern (GTP). The
>> high dimensional facets of memories are encoded/ indexed by the state of
>> the GTP performing the task at hand, consciousness manifests from the
>> harmonics within the GTP.
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmdWfDTgLQ
>>
>> This shows a small section (1.2mm², 0.01%, 10K neurons, 200K synapse) of
>> cerebral cortex from my model, I use it for testing hypotheses and it
>> encompasses all the functionality of the full model. It’s learned 40K
>> memory engram's segmented into 80 pattern concepts along with a regular
>> base GTP rhythm. The graph (lower left) function is equivalent to real-time
>> colour coded Golgi staining, and shows the confidence the model has in
>> recognising the current pattern, shown by the scrolling bar. Notice the
>> actual pattern stream/ matrix on the upper right along with the injected
>> regular GTP rhythm just below. On the first pass it shows a very high
>> confidence in recognising the all patterns, both the episodic sequence
>> memories and the memories regarding the pattern structure are being
>> recalled/ accessed.  On the second pass I change the base frequency of
>> just the GTP, notice how the memory retrieval/ recognition becomes
>> sporadic. On the third pass I cut the GTP and the confidence totally drops
>> even though the 80 patterns are still being injected. I then re-establish
>> the GTP and normal operation resumes. This shows how reliant/ sensitive the
>> system is to the state of the underlying base GTP frequencies.
>>
>> The slow onset of dementia hints at the second pass, it’s not like the
>> global GTP disruption caused by anaesthetic, so I don’t think it’s an
>> imbalance in the neurotransmitter levels/ medium.  It must also be
>> affecting the well established networks with diminished plasticity;
>> otherwise the brain would just adapt to the disruptions and wouldn’t then
>> be able to exhibit the PL phenomena.
>>
>> So one cause of dementia could be an alteration of the base frequencies
>> within the GTP, and the PL phenomena could mean that whatever is causing
>> the phase change is related to a condition that rises or reduces/
>> diminishes just before death. Allowing the GTP to phase back through its
>> normal frequency domain and thus allowing consciousness to temporarily
>> return.  My current main candidate is intracranial pressure, as altering
>> the shape of the connectome can also have adverse effects on the phase of
>> the GTP, further pondering is required.
>>
>> My point being that… although there is no empirical data on how the human
>> brain functions it is still possible to gain insights and build a working
>> model through experimentation and cross reference, and although this is a
>> low resolution insight into the functioning of the brain it hints that so
>> far my schema is correct.
>>
>> Indeed, IMO this is the only way to do it, you have to work the problems.
>> Applying/ finding empirical scientific proof of every required step/
>> concept would make the project impossible, especially to a lone researcher
>> with limited resources.
>>
>> :)
>>
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