I’m beginning to think any sort of rate limiting is going to make one of the hundreds of combinations of streaming services and devices unhappy and customers will complain “Peacock is buffering on my Samsung smart TV” or whatever.
It seems like the world is going to 100+ Mbps best effort like 5G Home Internet and Starlink, and streaming wants to ratchet up to 4K resolution and burst at 100 Mbps. I can look at the Preseem metrics (they have lots of them) and everything is perfect yet there will always be that one customer who is complaining. It’s definitely not bufferbloat though. Maybe I should stop thinking I can please all of the people all of the time. I do see the 5G providers saying they can limit video resolution to 1080p, or allow 4K. Where they have two price tiers, that (and a mesh WiFi extender) are often the differences between the two tiers. AFAIK, Preseem does no DPI and can’t limit video resolution. With Net Neutrality dead for at least 4 years, maybe I need to find a way to do that. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2025 8:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat at customer premise? Preseem is only one option. Free options do exist but they're more hands on to integrate with your billing system. I wanted ease of use and the pretty QoE data that shows us problem areas like congested ap's, wifi issues, etc. It's worth the 50 cents per sub/month in my eyes. If we had more subs then we'd explore an open source solution to save money. I'd say for most wisp's under 3k subs, preseem or cambium QoE are worth the price. For us, it wasn't just about a good throttle solution like fq_codel, it was the QoE data to help us resolve issues that customers don't report and use it to confirm the fix. Preseem customer support is also very good. On Tue, Feb 25, 2025, 3:35 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote: Preseem might be more these days, but it seems like before they just ran fq_codel or cake, which you can do for free in Linux, then charged per sub so I have to rent my subs back from them. Lots of providers are trying to get me to rent my subs back from them through cloud, ala Calix. On Feb 25, 2025, at 11:42 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: There's probably no need to do this at the customer level if you're already doing it in the core. With Preseem or something similar, bufferbloat is nonexistent. On Tue, Feb 25, 2025, 1:24 PM Dev <d...@logicalwebhost.com <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote: Anyone using something like Mikrotik (or other vendor) bufferbloat queuing at the customer router like fq_codel or cake? We’ve seen really good improvement at the network core, but wanting to know if it helps to push that out to the customer edge, and what algorithm/hardware does a good job. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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