So we get robotaxis and AI, where are the flying cars? And time machines! https://www.gocomics.com/brewsterrockit/2024/10/09
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2024 8:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intersection of technical and political and wrestling der mercherns terk er jerbs Automate the jobs or theres no job to be had, its a pretty straight forward concept, always has been, always will be, made even more pronounced with becoming a one world nation. A depressed area is depressed across the board, automation makes a 55 year old employable for longer, cant still swing a wrench, you can still push a button. The irony is most of the jobs being replaced by automation are jobs that were already replaced by automation long ago, the workers just dont grasp how many people it used to take to do their jobs. moving a shipping container sized item 100 years ago took a whole lot more manpower than it does today...thanks to automation. Nobody is going to pay 150 bucks a widget simply because it feels good to have ten union guys make it when mexico mike at the Oaxaca plant is making it on his own on the automated line or china chan at the beijing plant and the 15 twelve year olds are knocking them out at twice the production rate on their 18 hour shifts and both are selling them for 100 bucks tarriff free. It seems theres confusion about getting a nut and still having the balls filled with cum. Assembly lines were gonna kiil jobs, the baby automobile industry was doomed air nailers were gonna shut down the construction industry pulsating pocket pussies with remote controlled butt plugs were gonna put whore houses out of business doomspeak has been around since the first guy rolled a wheel down a hill and was gonna put the water carrier out of business yeah, outputs have increased while jobs stagnate, china being number 1 is a magnitude larger than the US number 2, and the gap increases every year, US widgets just arent worth the coin to meet the demand that china and mexico meet for quarters on the dollar. Iw we automated more, our otput and export woul boom to china levels and wed find something for the people to do... what was it the left used to love to say when it was politically expedient to cut jobs for their voting base? oh yeah.... learn to code On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 7:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: There’s room for nuance on this topic. US Manufacturing output has generally trended upward since a lull in the 1970’s. This is both in terms of dollar value and tons of goods produced. We’re the #2 manufacturer in the world. US Exports also trend upwards, both in terms of dollar value and in tonnage, and we’re the #2 exporter in the world only surpassed by China. The #1 country has 3x our population so we don’t have any business feeling bad about it. Meanwhile manufacturing jobs in America trended downward over that time period…..except since 2009 when it looks like we hit the bottom and now we’re trending flat or slightly upwards. But in general if our manufacturing outputs are higher and our manufacturing employment is flat or lower then what else can that be attributed to but automation? I don’t know about anywhere else, but all across NY State there seems to be an insatiable demand for building trades, mechanics, and truck drivers. If your coal mining or widget making job is gone, then in theory you can find another job as long as you can turn a wrench or bang boards together. But what if you’re 55 years old and your whole region is depressed? If you’re not able to relocate to where the jobs are, or not able and willing to learn a new skilled trade, then you may get demoted to being a barista. I don’t have a policy answer to that problem, but I’m willing to acknowledge that it’s an actual problem. I suppose you are correct that this problem has existed at least since the powered loom was invented. If we haven’t come up with a perfect answer in the past 200 years then maybe there isn’t one. Maybe we need to instill flexibility and adaptability as virtues in our young people. Be willing to change, my son, because the world will change around you whether you like it or not. -Adam From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2024 12:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intersection of technical and political and wrestling That argument has been deflated since the dawn of mechanism. There are still more jobs than people, there always will be til we get to the WALL-E level, in which case it wont matter anymore On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 3:42 AM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net <mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > wrote: What I want to know is when are the robots going to pay into the SSI? I go into the store and most of the cashiers have been replaced with scanners, robots are stocking shelves, mopping floors. Taxi's are becoming self-driven. Where are the people going to get a job? What are the retired going to live on? On 10/7/24 18:02, Ken Hohhof wrote: Liberal and conservative are kind of meaningless terms. Progressive and Reactionary are probably the more accurate political terms. Reactionary may sound pejorative, but if you look up the definition, it’s pretty dead on. In the context of Robert’s post, conservative is indeed the right term, since the wealthy wants to maintain the status quo. But what you hear all the time these days is take things back to some prior time when things are thought to have been better. That’s reactionary. I mean, the red caps don’t say Keep America Great. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Monday, October 7, 2024 7:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intersection of technical and political and wrestling Thus the “conserv - ative “ party. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2024, at 5:47 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: I read that, except for reducing taxes and benefits to common workers, the extremely wealthy don't want any change in politics, the status quo must be maintained. So when one party comes into power, those to items are the only ones that you will see any real movement on. On 10/7/24 8:54 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: You have that exactly right. There have been ample opportunities for both sides to advance pet dogma. Especially on the abortion issue. I am apathetic towards politics as they are all the same, just different colors. Barbell curve, I love it. Some could say the bathtub curve. I recently watched the series on Netflix about Vince McMahon. I realized I was watching current American Politics. I didn’t know that Trump even got in the ring with him at one point and smacked him down. I think Trump has used McMahon as the prototype for his TV/political career. The dems play the heel pretty well. But they are never quite popular enough to be the baby face. 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