One of the best things I heard out of Elon Musk ox, is that technology
is expensive and the higher level the tech the more expensive it is.
To maintain, to improve, to fix, to buy...
On 2/16/23 8:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Weldong is one of those "entry level" gigs that comes at a great cost
to the employer offering on the job training. Increases in material
costs, increases in QC failures, increases on returns. 6 months at 15
bucks an hour to destroy a bunch of material becoming proficient at
best is a more than fair compensation.
My neice (millenial) wants to rent one of my parents rentals thats got
a bunch of repairs to be done from the last tenant. She wants to live
rent free in exchange for doing the repairs. I told her she
doesnt bring anything to the table. I tried explaining to her that
trade for service means you bring the requisite knowlege to perform
the service. She got hot and tried the "what because im a girl" I shot
that down. Then she said she can learn from youtube. It went round and
round with her not comprehending that learning from youtube is what
you do in your own home, on your own dime. She didnt comprehend that
the material costs will go up as she damages more than she fixes
learning from youtube. She didnt comprehend that she doesnt posess the
toolset to perform the tasks and would spend more on buying them than
she would on rent (she planned on just using our tools, and damaging
those).
My folks are old, theyre doing the repairs themselves, its taking a
long time. realistically we could hire it done and everything knocked
out in a few days by a pro for the value of maybe two months rent. It
will probably take them a few more months to get it done.
The niece I think believes she could have no rent for like 6 months to
do a few days professional work at a low quality standard.
I always have done my best to teach my children to know both their
value, and their place. These younger folks have no guage of value not
do they comprehend their place. Its got a lot to do with the tools
available to complete the underlying tasks. They master these iphones
and other gadgets and think they are techs, yet they
couldnt troubleshoot a hardware issue if their tits were in a press.
These are the people who are going to be taking care of me as i age
out of the workforce and it terrifies me. The underlying systems were
built by what they call boomers, maintained by what they call boomers,
and they will be operating them to maintain us that they call boomers
when the systems begin to fail and they down have the worth to fix them.
its a scary world out there
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult,
lives with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t
understand how hard it is today compared to when I was younger.
So I did a little comparison for her:
My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour. That would be about
$10.70/hour today.
(I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave
labor on the farm from 1960 until I escaped).
My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility
lineman job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour.
That would be about $18 today.
My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in
1982. Or about $36K today.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/
So how is it people have it so much worse today?
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On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.com> wrote:
Yeah, that’s a problem for sure.
All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and
wealth and entitlement.
Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their
minds. To use a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it.
I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and
eating the same PB&J and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no
monthly spend.
I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as
furniture. My monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit
for food and my car.
I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I
could find and working my way up.
And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I
am entitled to more because I exist.” Lol
My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all
the time, or have conditions.
I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time
online. They still know they get nothing as a default, but they
are more entitled in language and practice than my older kids.
Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors.
I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and
some of these people just throw around money like it magically
appeared to them out of thin air without a care.
There is no accountability or explanation.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM
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*Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange
I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get
paid to learn MIG mild steel welding. PT/FT flexible hours. We
hire 17 year olds. I immediately got crap from this guy saying
that the “young people of today” cannot exist on less than
$18/hour which is what he gets and he works from home.
Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn
welding position.
He deleted his post then sent me this:
Hello there,
Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause
tension, I've deleted my comment on your posting. My only point
was to emphasize that the going rate for a lot of entry level
jobs is much higher than $15 an hour. Welding is a great skill
and can open up great avenues in the future.
However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot
of candidates will not even walk through the door because other
places even in the field of welding pay higher to start.
What I emphasized at my company starting at $18 is just one
example. We have people here that make well over $50 an hour
because we operate on a commission structure. But that $18 base
is livable when a one bedroom is $1000+ in tooele a month and
depending on where you live it's as low as $1600+
Again, never meant to offend so I am sorry for causing you any
trouble.
I replied:
So you expect someone to walk from High School directly into
a job where they can have a nice home, car and things? Wow,
without learning a trade, profession or other skill? Our
$15/hour people take home $2000/month. Pretty sure someone
can exist on that and the smart ones will have roommates or
live with their parents. And the smarter ones will quickly
be making more than $18/hour. We have exactly zero problems
finding as many workers as we need. So your opinion that
"youth of today" cannot exist on $15/hour is just that,
unfounded opinion. I guess your definition of "exist" is
different than mine. You can exist by walking, riding a
bicycle or taking a bus to work. You can exist by eating
home cooked meals and making a home made sandwich for your
lunch. You can exist by wearing clothes from a thrift
store. You don't need the latest iPhone and Netflix to
exist. Read a book. The struggle IS the journey and is what
creates grit and strong character.
He replied and blocked me:
Yeah Okay Boomer. I was reaching out to be nice but you clearly
have no idea what life is like for us today. I just bought my
first house at 31 because of how shit things are right now
compared to when you were younger. But thanks for proving my
point by being an asshole about "my definition of exist"
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